Pashkuli: PMN (Plain Music Notation)

[Pashkuli]

(It's possible that my answer is not quite correct, but as you have asked the real experts not to participate, we many never know.)

Tempo and measurement aside it can be a single percussive note, but is it a kick drum, snare, cymbal, timpani, stick... I do not need a line.
With 12 noteheads\letters I can represent 12 different percussive instruments.
I think they do similar thing on the standard music notations. A hi-hat notehead is [X] and so on.
As a percussive notation the note from the question in PMN would be a kick drum.

Anyway... I already asked "the experts" a few simple questions:

· Why don't we have 12 noteheads\lettters for each of the 12 notes in 21-TET?

· Why do we have to refer to some special case "natural" major scale interval formula and write other scale formulas as a deviation from the 'special case'?

· Why do we have to know so many positions of a single notehead on a set of lines, according to at least two different clefs, three, even a fourth one? And to keep track of a prescribed "key signature" as accidentals... and make correction with "natural" signs to accommodate for the deviation from the "key signature"?

It is a time waste activity, it is redundant... A time which could have been used to play and compose music.

[Pashkuli]

But you are trying to sell it to us, otherwise why make it public?

It is intended to offer an alternative.
A 13 yo (like myself, when I started drum lessons and get more serious into Music) might find it and at least... at least have a choice to what has been taught at school.
A second opinion, if you will. An alternative view. A new understanding about this subject.

Not for sale, not for lessons, not for personal request (service) to transcribe anything into PMN.

[gaggle of hermits]

Tempo and measurement aside it can be a single percussive note, but is it a kick drum, snare, cymbal, timpani, stick... I do not need a line.

there are optional note heads for percussion. and the ledger position can denote the drums in a kit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percussion_notation

also, orchestral staves are normally accompanied by some indication of the instrument at the left.

[Hink]

"I can prove it as long as no experts are watching". What is this, a magic show?

Hello, expert!
Which note is this one?

note.jpg

d.

d. would be 1 1/2 beats...not 1/4 note...but there is confusion vurt because you post a 1/2 note dotted which would be three beats

[gaggle of hermits]

· Why don't we have 12 noteheads\lettters for each of the 12 notes in 21-TET?

I know this is a typo but it illustrates one important issue with your approach - unless you employ the same kind of modifiers as those used in standard notation for microtonal or extended scales.

[vurt]

"I can prove it as long as no experts are watching". What is this, a magic show?

Hello, expert!
Which note is this one?

note.jpg

d.

d. would be 1 1/2 beats...not 1/4 note...but there is confusion vurt because you post a 1/2 note dotted which would be three beats

d is always the first note.
sometimes i follow with an e an octave up, but this time i fancied a b flat.
note duration is irrelevant to me, as i do not believe in time
then back to d.

[imrae]

Tempo and measurement aside it can be a single percussive note, but is it a kick drum, snare, cymbal, timpani, stick... I do not need a line.

there are optional note heads for percussion. and the ledger position can denote the drums in a kit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percussion_notation

I don't remember the Pope having to sign off on this notation, either. Almost as though... "expert" musicians are actually fairly happy and able to adopt alternate notation when it is genuinely beneficial.

[Pashkuli]

also, orchestral staves are normally accompanied by some indication of the instrument at the left.

Indeed, but those lines... of the stave make it hard to read.
In PMN I do not have such problem with unnecessary "skeleton" and ledger lines and such.

[Pashkuli]

· Why don't we have 12 noteheads\lettters for each of the 12 notes in 21-TET?

I know this is a typo but it illustrates one important issue with your approach - unless you employ the same kind of modifiers as those used in standard notation for microtonal or extended scales.

Yes, typo. And I explained already, PMN is intended 99% towards 12-TET.
Microtonal 19, 21, 24 etc. can be expressed as well with "simplified designations".
Of course that would load up the legibility but since PMN does not use stave lines, it won't be as bad as the standard.

So, again... PMN can represent micro-tonal better than the standard as well.

[gaggle of hermits]

Of course that would load up the legibility but since PMN does not use stave lines, it won't be as bad as the standard.

31 character/modifier combinations on the one line. yes, I'm sure that will be better.

[gaggle of hermits]

also, orchestral staves are normally accompanied by some indication of the instrument at the left.

Indeed, but those lines... of the stave make it hard to read.
In PMN I do not have such problem with unnecessary "skeleton" and ledger lines and such.

well, we're back to the "show me" problem which you don't like. I contend that even for a bog-standard rock groove with kicks, snare, hat and toms, the regular notation will be more legible than trying to extract the vertical relationships from PMN. linear drumming is the only circumstance I can see where the two notations might be close, and even then, probably not much of an advantage if at all for PMN.

[Pashkuli]

Of course that would load up the legibility but since PMN does not use stave lines, it won't be as bad as the standard.

31 character/modifier combinations on the one line. yes, I'm sure that will be better.

More likely 15 with one modifier. Though in the case of 30 notes or there about
10 chars with 2 modifiers for a bit ↑ and ↓ would suffice.

Will depend on the notes\symbols chosen as closest 'pivot' points. Nothing challenging really.
With PMN's 12 symbols\letters adding 2 modifiers, would give us 36 possible notes.
And I am not even talking about separate symbols. rather "an accent mark" or diacritic.

With that said using only 3 symbols and 3 diacritics, I could cover 12-TET with only those. But that would have been too advanced.
I mean just a symmetric "augmented" arpeggio... (stacked "major thirds" if you will) and that is it.

᷇B ̡B B B՜

Not a big deal, since there will be no obstructing stave\ledger lines.
Those and such symbols are quite common already in different European languages.

Kids use them to text every single day.

[Pashkuli]

I contend that even for a bog-standard rock groove with kicks, snare, hat and toms, the regular notation will be more legible than trying to extract the vertical relationships from PMN

Your contend is futile.

Some of the noteheads I have designed even resemble simple drum kit:

asdasdasd.jpg

Who would have thought, right? Well, I did. It was difficult... countless sleepless nights.

[Erisian]

I contend that even for a bog-standard rock groove with kicks, snare, hat and toms, the regular notation will be more legible than trying to extract the vertical relationships from PMN

Your contend is futile.

Some of the noteheads I gave designed even resemble simple drum kit:

asdasdasd.jpg


Who would have thought, right? Well, I did. It was difficult... countless sleepless nights.

[vurt]

I contend that even for a bog-standard rock groove with kicks, snare, hat and toms, the regular notation will be more legible than trying to extract the vertical relationships from PMN

Your contend is futile.

Some of the noteheads I have designed even resemble simple drum kit:

asdasdasd.jpg


Who would have thought, right? Well, I did. It was difficult... countless sleepless nights.

you really should read up on graphical notation. all of this has been done, by "masters" in the field of electro acoustics.
and as i said early, sadly ignored, for the most part, despite actually being fit for purpose.

best way to get a new paradigm taken notice of, would be to write a piece, that is both great, and can only be notated using your system.

i too started out on tablature for guitar.
would have made my future life much easier, instead of numbers, using the note names.
im not going to start a campaign though