Would You Give Up Music If All DAWs Went Subscription ?

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ChiTown24 wrote: Sun Dec 19, 2021 11:10 pm I find it interesting that they often market subscription models as being beneficial for hobbyists, amateurs etc, whereas it seems clear to me that it's only the professional segment where a subscription model can be made to make sense.

As a hobbyist, or even a small-time independent professional, what happens to all your projects when you stop or can no longer continue paying all the subscription fees you owe each month ? Your projects don't load correctly ? plugins de-active throughout your project ? you'll inevitably renew your subscription just to access your projects. and the more projects you make with subscription based software, the more leverage you are giving them to keep you subscribing longer than you'd like.

ya, no thanks.

If it's got to be a subscription model, the Bitwig Studio subscription model is about as far as I could stretch - since at the end of your subscription term you are left with what amounts to a perpetual license for the main version of the software when your subscription expired.
This is my metric for any subscription offer that is targeting the hobbyist or weekend/evening musician market.

Bitwig has it exactly right - their licensing is technically a hybrid: the license itself is perpetual; the UPDATING is the subscription.

You invest $$$ up front - Bitwig sells you the license plus one year of updates. Then let’s say you get busy; maybe lose interest in music and/or music production w/Bitwig for a while - even years - and if you decide to Bitwig again: your software will likely still work; OR you can simply pay the ‘updates’ fee for another year and your software is completely current! I tend to stay at least a couple of years ahead w/Bitwig: buy the year of updates thing when on-sale (sometimes deeply discounted) and add it to my account (it stacks) - I do this in part because I WANT to support a company that ethically treats its customers this way!

Part of the Reason (pun intended) why I revived this thread is because Reasonstudios aggressively tries to sell me their subscription every time I visit their site - I’m concerned that some may buy into their subscription and then have zero access to their software because they missed a payment if on the monthly plan. Heart-breaking.

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If your musical life begins and ends with using a DAW you are a poser hack. "I produce!" No, you're a lil hipster bitch.

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:lol:

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goldenanalog wrote: Sun Jan 09, 2022 6:14 pmBitwig has it exactly right - their licensing is technically a hybrid: the license itself is perpetual; the UPDATING is the subscription.

You invest $$$ up front - Bitwig sells you the license plus one year of updates. Then let’s say you get busy; maybe lose interest in music and/or music production w/Bitwig for a while - even years - and if you decide to Bitwig again: your software will likely still work; OR you can simply pay the ‘updates’ fee for another year and your software is completely current! I tend to stay at least a couple of years ahead w/Bitwig: buy the year of updates thing when on-sale (sometimes deeply discounted) and add it to my account (it stacks) - I do this in part because I WANT to support a company that ethically treats its customers this way!
+1

I just bought a Bitwig upgrade while the sale was still going. Now I am good through June 2023.

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of course i would, and become a highwayman! what choice is there???
:ud:

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Bank robber?

Thin pickings for highway men these days ... its mainly Amazon deliveries. You get to wear a cape tho'

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I'd give up beer and red meat. Because, you know... random.

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thecontrolcentre wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:25 am Bank robber?

Thin pickings for highway men these days ... its mainly Amazon deliveries. You get to wear a cape tho'
and a tri corner hat and mask!!!

and whoever heard, of a dandy bank robber?
:ud:

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Synthack wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 1:54 am I'd stick to a older DAW that works good, install it offline and i'd be good.
Same here. I just bought another year of Bitwig and will probably wait a couple months until I activate it, but except for a few not so important things I'm somehow still missing from the current version I really don't need much more than what it already does and would be fine with V4.12 for quite a while.

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vurt wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:08 pm
thecontrolcentre wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:25 am Bank robber?

Thin pickings for highway men these days ... its mainly Amazon deliveries. You get to wear a cape tho'
and a tri corner hat and mask!!!

and whoever heard, of a dandy bank robber?
https://i0.wp.com/proxymusic.club/wp-co ... 2026&ssl=1

https://www.frockflicks.com/wp-content/ ... 0x350.jpeg


:lol: :hihi: :D
Vendor‑Dependent Copy Protection: Customers lose. Pirates win.:mad:
(Also: I'm Accused of lying about Linux—it boots, runs my pro audio workflow, stays stable, updates--though yearly dismissed as “niche”. Yet I'm the deluded one.)
:roll:

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goldenanalog wrote: Sun Jan 09, 2022 6:14 pm You invest $$$ up front - Bitwig sells you the license plus one year of updates. Then let’s say you get busy; maybe lose interest in music and/or music production w/Bitwig for a while - even years - and if you decide to Bitwig again: your software will likely still work; OR you can simply pay the ‘updates’ fee for another year and your software is completely current!
More or less the same with every perpetual license, no matter the developer.
Mac Mini M4 Pro | 14 Cores (10P/4E) | 48GB RAM | Studio One | Reason | Bitwig Studio | Logic Pro | FL Studio | Cubase Pro | Waveform | Reaper | Renoise | ~1000 VSTs/AUs | ~350 REs

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audiojunkie wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:48 pm
vurt wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:08 pm
thecontrolcentre wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:25 am Bank robber?

Thin pickings for highway men these days ... its mainly Amazon deliveries. You get to wear a cape tho'
and a tri corner hat and mask!!!

and whoever heard, of a dandy bank robber?
https://i0.wp.com/proxymusic.club/wp-co ... 2026&ssl=1

https://www.frockflicks.com/wp-content/ ... 0x350.jpeg


:lol: :hihi: :D
that's not a bank robber!!
:ud:

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He’s a highwayman!! 😅
Vendor‑Dependent Copy Protection: Customers lose. Pirates win.:mad:
(Also: I'm Accused of lying about Linux—it boots, runs my pro audio workflow, stays stable, updates--though yearly dismissed as “niche”. Yet I'm the deluded one.)
:roll:

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starflakeprj wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 10:47 pm
goldenanalog wrote: Sun Jan 09, 2022 6:14 pm You invest $$$ up front - Bitwig sells you the license plus one year of updates. Then let’s say you get busy; maybe lose interest in music and/or music production w/Bitwig for a while - even years - and if you decide to Bitwig again: your software will likely still work; OR you can simply pay the ‘updates’ fee for another year and your software is completely current!
More or less the same with every perpetual license, no matter the developer.
Not true: most update pricing for a perpetual license is based on the VERSION of the software that the end user owns a license for - ie - the earlier the version (ex. Nuendo 9/8/7 etc) the more that it costs the license holder to make their software current.

Bitwig currently has one fixed TIME-based (per-year) ‘updates’ price for any and all license holders, irregardless of version.

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