Wotja 22 - Generative Music App & Plug-in Host (Free, Pro; AUv3 / VST3)

[impete]

but, having said that, shouldn't wotja 22 VST3 work at either sample rate? or is this one of the fixes that we are waiting for in the update?

That isn't in 22.0.6, but is in the cluster of "top things to investigate" in our issue tracking system!!

Pete

[El°HYM]

Hi Pete,
In Waveform 11.5.18 (Windows 11), I'm seeing something really strange: if you set the Audio Device to Windows Audio, Wotja makes no sound.

Both DirectSound and ASIO work fine, but Windows Audio silences Wotja. I've never seen any other plugin do this.

All of the audio modes worked for me. Make sure that you are using 44100 Hz for each. Other sampling rates return silence from Wotja VST3 in my tests.

hmmm, interesting. you are correct, it was defaulting to 48000 Hz and I had not noticed this. it works when set to 44100 Hz, as you pointed out. thanks for that!

but, having said that, shouldn't wotja 22 VST3 work at either sample rate? or is this one of the fixes that we are waiting for in the update?

Can confirm this with the VST3 - Version, any Sample Rate higher than 44.1 kHz causes Silence.

Here my list of VST3 causing the Standalone - Version to crash:

- Vandelay by Klevgränd
- V-Clip by Venn Audio
- Valves by Audio Thing
- Kolin by Analog Obsession
- KONSOL by Analog Obsession
- PHA-979 by Voxengo
- Knifonium by Plugin Alliance
- Krets by Klevgränd
- KV ELEMENTS by KushView
- LABS by Spitfire Audio
- Latency Delay by Voxengo
- LYRA-8 by Mike Moreno
- Limited - Z by LVC Audio
- LatticeReverb by Uhhyou
- Lindell TE-100 by Plugin Alliance
- Luftikus by Ikjb
- Seesaw by Ikjb
- LOUDMAX by Thomas Mundt


... a few more to come!

[zzz00m]

but, having said that, shouldn't wotja 22 VST3 work at either sample rate? or is this one of the fixes that we are waiting for in the update?

That isn't in 22.0.6, but is in the cluster of "top things to investigate" in our issue tracking system!!

Pete

Fyi, the Windows standalone version of Wotja 22 Pro 22.02 runs at 48KHz and 96KHz sample rates. I found that you need to close Wotja when changing the sample rate for your interface, but it picked up the new rate when restarted.

So it appears to be a VST3 thing.

Also noticed quite a leap in Wotja sound quality at 96000. Maybe its just a quirk of my Focusrite Scarlett, but the sound is louder and with higher definition at the same volume setting. Haven't messed with other than 48000 lately. Maybe it's time to step up!

[JamminFool]

Wotja 22.0.6 is now available on the Windows Store.

[Musical Gym]

found it

[impete]

Wotja 22.0.6 is now available on the Windows Store.

Phew!!

Best wishes, Pete

[impete]

I have just left a review - and thanks for the tip on the playlists... can't wait to try it!

Thank you very much!! and I really hope you enjoy using playlists.

On a separate but related note, one of the nice things about Wotja Albums, is that you can share them with other people (they contain all the required Mix data). So if you have friends with the same Hosted Plug-ins that you want to share an entire album of mixes with - you can just create an album of them, and send the entire Album (as a mail attachment, or just as plain text by exporting to clipboard).

Best wishes,

Pete

[impete]

FWIW, I see that the JUCE updates within 22.0.6 add "support for a wider range of frame-rates in plugins and hosts" (we updated JUCE from 6.1.2 to 6.1.4).

Anyhow - I just decided to set a test Logic Pro project (Wotja AUv3) to 48000 Hz using File -> Project Settings -> Audio -> Sample Rate (it was 44100, for whatever reason), and it is silent until I set back to 44100.

So, this seems to be a generic problem with the plug-in; not specific to the VST3.

And - I can immediately see the reason, but am not immediately sure how to solve it

EDIT: this is now verified as fixed for AUv3. Now to try for VST3!

Best wishes, Pete

[JamminFool]

Before I forget - one of the very nifty things about using Wotja as the Plug-in host - bear with me for a moment - is that you can add your mixes to Playlists (and, indeed, Albums). And they are *great* just for listening to in the background / foreground, or for sleep etc. So to be clear, even Albums and Playlists can use hosted plug-ins.

i guess you mean only for Albums and Playlists which I create. But once an Album is created, it cannot be changed to use new hosted plugins. The Album "saves" the name the hosted plugin at the time of Album creation, but Albums cannot be modified by the user. Correct?

And does the Album contain the preset (state) of the hosted plugin also? (I suppose it must, otherwise the Album would not be heard as was intended).

[impete]

...once an Album is created, it cannot be changed to use new hosted plugins. The Album "saves" the name the hosted plugin at the time of Album creation, but Albums cannot be modified by the user. Correct?

Hi - thanks for asking!

If you ever need to modify an album to have an updated Mix, just delete the Mix from the album, and add (using the + button) the updated Mix from your file system!

And does the Album contain the preset (state) of the hosted plugin also? (I suppose it must, otherwise the Album would not be heard as was intended).

Yes, absolutely. Strictly speaking, this information is saved within each individual mix within the album.

Hoping that clarifies things!

Pete

[JamminFool]

...once an Album is created, it cannot be changed to use new hosted plugins. The Album "saves" the name the hosted plugin at the time of Album creation, but Albums cannot be modified by the user. Correct?

If you ever need to modify an album to have an updated Mix, just delete the Mix from the album, and add (using the + button) the updated Mix from your file system!

sorry, what i meant was that if I send the Album to someone else (but not the Mixes themselves), they cannot "extract" the mix from the Album and modify to use different sounds/plugins. they would need the original Mix. Correct?

(i'm currently listening to the included Albums (Calm, and Relax) and was thinking i wanted to try swapping to hosted plugins for these Mixes. thus the questions.)

[impete]

sorry, what i meant was that if I send the Album to someone else (but not the Mixes themselves), they cannot "extract" the mix from the Album and modify to use different sounds/plugins. they would need the original Mix. Correct?

Aha, got you!

Any mix in an album can be "saved" to file system via a menu (potentially for further editing by whoever has it).

(i'm currently listening to the included Albums (Calm, and Relax) and was thinking i wanted to try swapping to hosted plugins for these Mixes. thus the questions.)

Great idea! However - one oddity of those two specific albums is that, as "built-in" albums, the ability to export/re-arrange mixes is specifically disabled. That allows us, say, for Wotja to at some point contain built-in albums by well known artists, that were "locked" from the user perspective.

Pete

[JamminFool]

sorry, what i meant was that if I send the Album to someone else (but not the Mixes themselves), they cannot "extract" the mix from the Album and modify to use different sounds/plugins. they would need the original Mix. Correct?

Aha, got you!

Any mix in an album can be "saved" to file system via a menu (potentially for further editing by whoever has it).

ohhhh, ok. nice! so i wouldn't have to send the Mixes themselves. They could be saved out from the Album.

(i'm currently listening to the included Albums (Calm, and Relax) and was thinking i wanted to try swapping to hosted plugins for these Mixes. thus the questions.)

Great idea! However - one oddity of those two specific albums is that, as "built-in" albums, the ability to export/re-arrange mixes is specifically disabled. That allows us, say, for Wotja to at some point contain built-in albums by well known artists, that were "locked" from the user perspective.

Pete

which explains why I couldn't figure out how to do it.

thanks for taking the time to explain this.

[impete]

Wow - I’d forgotten how painful it can be to install software from outside of the App Stores!

Antares - seems to require a special USB stick for storing licenses!

Cubase Pro - also seems to require a hardware dongle!

Cubase Elements - was a right royal PITA to install - and has a 14 day trial limit.
EDIT: I tried and tried, but was unable to install through the "Installation Manager" - which seems horribly broken - so I've had to install via a direct installer I found on their website.

It is interesting how things stand here. I can't see the established audio software producers changing the way they distribute, but I can say for certain it is much easier from my own humble perspective just to get apps and plug-ins (and subscriptions, if required) from the built-in app stores.

[impete]

Right - I've now verified to my satisfaction that the Transport control in Cubase Elements for Windows works fine with Wotja 22 Pro VST3 22.7.0 and later (as is what I'm testing against, which has the sample rate issue fixed FWIW).

Pete