Pashkuli: PMN (Plain Music Notation)

[Pashkuli]

https://muto-method.com/en/

Done that. Not with the music notation he made, which is more close to Klavarscribo.
Different score lines and adjusting noteheads between lines. Not suitable for handwriting, texting.

Otherwise he (Wataru Dabo Ohkawa, ムトウ カンペイ) is extremely skilful multi-instrumentalist!

There are many proposals but most are related to some form of score with lines and such, which I do not like.
http://musicnotation.org

[N__K]

Such is life It seems that striving to improve things in personal ways sometimes means that inventor has to do most of the work themselves, and be prepared for possibility that not many people accept the invention.

[BertKoor]

Not suitable for handwriting, texting.

And using background colors per line is suitable for hand-writing & texting?


I'm curious to see scores with full chords. Supposedly easier to play but harder to write. How does that fit on a single line?

[BertKoor]

Just stumbled upon these "tricks" regarding key signatures and recognising\memorising tonality.

In your notation you leave them completely in the dark about the tonality of the piece.
Then you get the old trick "ending note is the key" or what? Is that progress?

[Pashkuli]

And using background colors per line is suitable for hand-writing & texting?

I see now how the Chopin excerpt as an example may not have been seen by all participants in the discussion here...
What colour lines? The coloured lines you see are only there to show the connection above with the standard piano. No one would want you to mark them with a coloured marker.
Actually in PMN colours are 'forbidden' (not wanted, not required)!

Chords you write them as they are. For example the old Dmaj7, or DM7 or whatever the write thing is, at the moment will be just to illustrate:
LSTG
TLSG
SLTG
etc.

Depending on inversion intended. You will write them in the same way both in the score and outside the score (for example when texting them over the phone) in explicit inversion.

Now, depending on the root note (key), which is also the renova separator in this section of the song, one or two of the letters might an most likely will have to step on the next adjacent row (renova), like this (ignore the offset underline):
__G
LST

or if the inverted note gets lower than the root note of the song (at the moment)...

LSG
T


Accordingly this will be the case had the noteheads been used. Also, to emphasize on the root note of the chord, PMN allows the root note to be written with a letter and the other notes with noteheads or vice versa! Like this:

L▼♥▲

[BertKoor]

So a chord looks the same as an arppeggio?
Mixing of letters (in any script) and glyphs is OK?
And you say this is not a convoluted mess?

[Pashkuli]

So a chord looks the same as an arppeggio?
Mixing of letters (in any script) and glyphs is OK?
And you say this is not a convoluted mess?

No, not really like an arpeggio.
I mean notehead and its letter can be toggled, when you want emphasize root of chord.
This is especially useful in inversions!
Here is an example. I hope it will be more clear now.
I know there will be still some who "do not get it". That is fine.


* notes only for illustrative purposes

PMN chord (small).jpg

[BertKoor]

Ah, so all notes that should be hit at the same time are bound together with a moustache.

[jackoo]

this thread is going strong

[Pashkuli]

Ah, so all notes that should be hit at the same time are bound together with a moustache.

Moustache, yes. Or squiggly, curly bracket, whatever you want to call it.

If you think about it, every couple of noteheads under the moustache will get a true harmony representation, even without the bracket.

Also in the interface I could offset them a bit in time, so they would have 'MIDI-block' like functionality... and thus can represent "humanisation" of playing.

[vurt]

i like the moustache!
the rest is still confusing me personally.

[Pashkuli]

i like the moustache!
the rest is still confusing me personally.

Most of you old chaps will have first to "forget or unlearn" what you have learnt till this point, then start learning this non-favourisating concept, all 12 notes, noteheads and letters (still to be confirmed, btw!) and then it might get any clearer.

For people above 30ish, this is almost impossible to be done. That is how our brains work with age.

It has nothing to do with "major scales" accidentals, semi-tones and all that nonsense.

[Erisian]

Most of you old chaps will have first to "forget or unlearn" what you have learnt till this point,

Please!

[jackoo]

For people above 30ish, this is almost impossible to be done. That is how our brains work with age.

Please do not judge my ability to learn.

[Pashkuli]

Please do not judge my ability to learn.

I did not mean anyone specifically, rather the fact that people around and above that age have jobs, families, life responsibilities, maybe other hobbies, to just sit and learn a random guy's music notation that only he knows about (still develops).
Some even work with the old system on a daily basis: pro musicians, score writers, transcribers.

Our brains have the learn up to mid 20s really new things. After that it is learning about improvement really more than anything radically new.