Pashkuli: PMN (Plain Music Notation)

[Erisian]

Thus key signature symbols are accidentals... in advance. To designate a shift.

https://www.britannica.com/art/accidental

accidental, in music, sign placed immediately to the left of (or above) a note to show that the note must be changed in pitch. A sharp (♯) raises a note by a semitone; a flat (♭) lowers it by a semitone; a natural (♮) restores it to the original pitch. Double sharps (×) and double flats (♭♭) indicate that the note is raised or lowered by two semitones. Sharps or flats that are placed at the beginning of a musical staff, called a key signature, indicate the tonality, or key, of the music and are not considered accidentals.

[Pashkuli]

Transposition is not even a problem in PMN.
Once you know the "musical alphabet", which should not favour any language alphabet sequence...

Most people transpose by memory anyway.

In general I agree that some woodwind and brass instruments are a pain to play, when an uncomfortable transposition has occurred. But that is the nature of those instruments (trumpet for example or trombone).

I think such problems lead to modifications in some of those instruments in the past.
Or let's not forget the design of the saxophone (150 years ago). Sceptics all over the place.

Now its silhouette is a substitute for the letter J in the word Jazz.
Who would have thought...

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[Pashkuli]

Thus key signature symbols are accidentals... in advance. To designate a shift.

https://www.britannica.com/art/accidental

accidental, in music, sign placed immediately to the left of (or above) a note to show that the note must be changed in pitch. A sharp (♯) raises a note by a semitone; a flat (♭) lowers it by a semitone; a natural (♮) restores it to the original pitch. Double sharps (×) and double flats (♭♭) indicate that the note is raised or lowered by two semitones. Sharps or flats that are placed at the beginning of a musical staff, called a key signature, indicate the tonality, or key, of the music and are not considered accidentals.

They are accidentals in advance. The player has to get them memorized and to adjust for their influence in advance. Also memorised transposition technique on the instrument of choice.

Look here again:

*otherwise it would contradict with the note of the same name or the one in the same bar and line that has been altered already, but the composer intended a different note

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This is an objective proof of a mess!

[Erisian]

They are accidentals in advance.

NO THEY ARE NOT!!! They are called accidentals precisely because they are outside of the key the music is in and therefore do not come into the key signature and therefore do not appear at the beginning of the staff!

[Erisian]

One thing is very clear. You do not have any understanding whatsoever of traditional notation and therefore have no right to claim your notation is superior!

[Pashkuli]

They are accidentals in advance.

NO THEY ARE NOT!!! They are called accidentals precisely because they are outside of the key the music is in and therefore do not come into the key signature and therefore do not appear at the beginning of the staff!

So, how do you call them: those symbols next to the clef symbol, which look remarkably similar to the so called accidental symbols? What do they show us?

Is it possibly some shift from something considered a constant reference?
What is that reference?

Oh, is it possible that that reference is the bunch of 7 big keys on a standard piano.
No?

Maybe that is not intentional... it must be accidental coincidence (pun intended).

[Pashkuli]

One thing is very clear. You do not have any understanding whatsoever of traditional notation and therefore have no right to claim your notation is superior!

When did I say PMN is superior?

If you mean less ambiguous, less cluttered with visual elements, easier to understand, then yes. It is.

[Erisian]

They are accidentals in advance.

NO THEY ARE NOT!!! They are called accidentals precisely because they are outside of the key the music is in and therefore do not come into the key signature and therefore do not appear at the beginning of the staff!

So, how do you call them: those symbols next to the clef symbol, which look remarkably similar to the so called accidental symbols? What do they show us?

Is it possibly some shift from something considered a constant reference?
What is that reference?

Oh, is it possible that that reference is the bunch of 7 big keys on a standard piano.
No?

Maybe that is not intentional... it must be accidental coincidence (pun intended).

They are called the key signature.

[Erisian]

One thing is very clear. You do not have any understanding whatsoever of traditional notation and therefore have no right to claim your notation is superior!

When did I say PMN is superior?

If you mean less ambiguous, less cluttered with visual elements, easier to understand, then yes. It is.

That is exactly the same thing. Stop f*cking with words.

[Pashkuli]

They are called the key signature.

Yes, also F-double-sharp is called G.

[imrae]

Fx and G are different concepts which sound at the same pitch. If you knew more music theory you would understand this.

As a performer it is useful to know that a note is an accidental - it carries some implications about how it should be stressed, and gives a heads-up that it might sound a bit strange compared to the established key. In analysis it conveys the intent of the composer more clearly.

The redundancy is a feature.

[Pashkuli]

In analysis it conveys the intent of the composer more clearly.
The redundancy is a feature.

aha... more clearly

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[shawshawraw]

Trying to be funny or what?
Scale is the tones of certain mode arranged consecutively (in sequence) usually starting from root and in ascending order (trivial form).

Modes are the same tones but referred to the root both as melodic and harmonic connection.
Modes can represent melodies and harmonies, whilst scale is strictly "melodic" sequence (usually ascending) of the notes of a mode.

Morning P! Or afternoon or evening wherever you are! Now YOU are talking about theory terms!! I thought you, as the greatest inventor of 21st century in the music field, hate all this dogmatic stuff as you're grounding up brand new systems!

Anyways, I'm still proud of my findings about drama, and don't argue this with me. I'll be angry and won't talk with you anymore for the rest of my life!! But I'm even more proud of something new I'm presenting you: from my little perspective I've come out a clear idea on the target audience of your notation system!! Ready to launch Apollo 11, Apollo 16, Apollo x8, or whatever it is??

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"Pashkuli's Plain Music Notation (PMN): for abstinent musicians who hate exposed drama"

I love this persona and I think it'll be fire! Catchy and unique keywords all the way to wrap up a system with absolutely no flats or sharps! Damn I should start a marketing agency!

And to support it from my own experience, I've quitted coffee, soft beverage and spicy food and I'm happier than ever!

I believe there is more you can be inspired from mine. Marketing your notation system to correct audience is important! I didn't believe but now I'm sure this will go really big. Hard work will be rewarded!! Just remember to drop a link to my Youtube channel when you're big, pls sir!

[Pashkuli]

Marketing your notation system to correct audience is important!

What marketing, mate?
This is not a product. This is a language. Universal music language.
You spent too much time\effort to write all that attempt at sarcasm.

All I do with regards to music is because:
1. I can
2. I love music
3. Someone had to have it done ages ago

You could say my piano keyboard designs could become products and be marketed as such, but I never had such intentions either. I do it for myself: as a hobby.

Are they better than the "standard" and other. Yes. I think they are.

[shawshawraw]

Marketing your notation system to correct audience is important!

What marketing, mate?
This is not a product. This is a language. Universal music language.
You spent too much time\effort to write all that attempt at sarcasm.

All I do with regards to music is because:
1. I can
2. I love music
3. Someone had to have it done ages ago

You could say my piano keyboard designs could become products and be marketed as such, but I never had such intentions either. I do it for myself: as a hobby.

Are they better than the "standard" and other. Yes. I think they are.

I think they are, too! For a portion of people. Not all, because I know I'm excluded and prefer common music notation. Hey! Don't you want some agreement on your thoughts? Why did you start this thread and speak strong then?

Idk, but music is pure energy for me. I love riding on this energy when it strikes. Dude a personal remark I'm not smelling the energy from you!!