Lazy developers exposed by Apple M1 transition (lack of native updates)

[Ploki]

It’s funny how subscribtion based “constant cash flow needed to update products” companies are the last to roll out M1.

[Ploki]

From my experience, Mac delivers a higher customer support overhead (while the OS is classy/shiny and everything, it's practically not as user-friendly as it is advertised). But despite having much smaller installed computers base, Mac users buy plugins about 75% more frequently than Windows users.

Yeah well its harder to get cracks on mac and more of a pain to install them

I'm not much of a gamer. I'm a writer, programmer, and musician. I do not have "average" performance on my M1 Max laptop. I have better performance than I can get on any Windows laptop for the same money, and it doesn't turn into an oven, is silent, and more portable. As for GPU: also not remotely average performance. Almost as good as the best mobile GPUs available, at a fraction of the heat and wattage. I also work in IT (I'm the CIO of a manufacturing company), with high-end CAD workstation-level laptops. I work in Windows all the time, all day, every day.

Dont get dragged into this it makes no sense whatsoever

I don't deny the M1 is a good chip, but look at the cost of it. I'd be furious if I'd lost the use of 90% of my plugins from the start.

I didnt lose a single plug, and the one i thought dead, the dev just came back from the dead so will likely be M1 native soonish.
Else i’m 90% native, either official or beta.
Transition last January was a bit bumpy (early adopter) but i knew it would be and it was worth it

[Fraggle]

black sheep screwdriver?

Oh come on, you can do better than that! It's quite a brilliant logo because the logo itself implies something about the customers in both the context of apple and the repair shop.

sheep noun, often attributive
\ ˈshēp \ plural sheep
2b: a timid docile person especially one easily influenced or led
(Merriam-Webster)

"ALL" their customers....lol...such grand 100% generalizations are purile because they are based in cognitive dissonance - in virtually no area of social activity can we tar EVERYONE with the same brush unless we are being Racist, homophobic, vaccinist, disablist, mysogynist or whatever other stereotype your caveman cognition rationalises for your vapid amusement.

Its like sayin ALL windows users are stupid , or Everyone that posts on K v R is a flucking retard (including myself) , - in case you didn't know , the existence of objective truth has been hotly disputed for centuries - or ALL vaccinated people are stupid - or all people with Dell laptops cannot be trusted to post anything sensible online.

[SoftSynthLover99]

I’ve never worked in a professional recording studio that used anything other than Apple computers. And I’ve worked in so many around all the major US cities including NYC, LA, Nashville etc. I’ve NEVER seen a PC in any of these except maybe at the receptionist desk lol.

I’ve worked with grammy award winning producers, songwriters and musicians and NEVER seen them pull out a PC in the studio! This is not to bash PC but we are talking about music production here. If you are a studio or working musician and can’t run Logic Pro X, you are at a disadvantage. That’s almost equal to trying to run a recording studio without pro tools.

So if some developer decided not to support apple, they would be losing out on 99.9999% of the music industry professionals who are actively working in the field. I highly doubt a Windows only plugin developer would be successful or even last in the long run.

If a developer went apple only, I think they would survive just fine though. Too many musicians and professionals depend on the apple eco system. Especially in music!

But this thread is about native m1 plugins not apple vs PC. If you don’t use apple then this thread doesn’t really mean anything to you.

[zvenx]

Hans Zimmer uses PC's.
But I do agree that in our professional world macs punch higher than their user base percentage in the general public.

rsp

[vurt]

black sheep screwdriver?

Oh come on, you can do better than that! It's quite a brilliant logo because the logo itself implies something about the customers in both the context of apple and the repair shop.

sheep noun, often attributive
\ ˈshēp \ plural sheep
2b: a timid docile person especially one easily influenced or led
(Merriam-Webster)

"ALL" their customers....lol...such grand 100% generalizations are purile because they are based in cognitive dissonance - in virtually no area of social activity can we tar EVERYONE with the same brush unless we are being Racist, homophobic, vaccinist, disablist, mysogynist or whatever other stereotype your caveman cognition rationalises for your vapid amusement.

Its like sayin ALL windows users are stupid , or Everyone that posts on K v R is a flucking retard (including myself) , - in case you didn't know , the existence of objective truth has been hotly disputed for centuries - or ALL vaccinated people are stupid - or all people with Dell laptops cannot be trusted to post anything sensible online.

[SoftSynthLover99]

Hans Zimmer uses PC's.
But I do agree that in our professional world macs punch higher than their user base percentage in the general public.

rsp

I remember watching Hans Zimmers studio tour long ago, he indeed had a bunch a PC monitors but his computer was actually a Mac Pro. Video is on youtube somewhere will try to find it!

[zvenx]

That might have indeed been the case a long time ago.
I know for sure he uses Cubase on a PC as his main compositional rig.
He may also though have his pro tools running on a mac right next to it.
(He is on vi-control as rctec).


rsp

[pdxindy]

I don't deny the M1 is a good chip, but look at the cost of it. I'd be furious if I'd lost the use of 90% of my plugins from the start.

The M1 Pro is a great chip... I can run dozens of tracks of RePro and the laptop stays cool and doesn't make a hint of fan noise! That is very important to me. My previous Intel machine would have been hot enough to cook on!

And I didn't lose the use of 90% of my plugins. Only a couple unimportant (to me) ones. All the plugins that are important to me are already ported except 1 which will be soon.

[foosnark]

To paraphrase Hyman Roth about the whinging developers. This is the business they have chosen. Maybe one is in the wrong business if they're going to get bent out of shape about technology advancing, or maybe it's just kvetching like anybody in any line of business would do.

I develop only for Windows, and will be the first to say that Microsoft is very far from perfect.

But I have never, not once, had to deal with the level of compatibility-breaking bullshit that Apple developers have to.

Yes, I've had to upgrade stuff that was written in older versions of Visual Studio, that has dependencies on defunct third-party libraries that were never built for 64-bit or current runtime versions. But I've also run 27-year old software just fine on a brand new computer with Windows 11.

There's no "lazy" about it, it's not like the developers are sitting around not doing anything and just drawing a salary. They're working on stuff 100% of the time, it's just a question of what they're working on. Every day spent dealing with Apple compatibility woes is a day not spent fixing other bugs or developing new stuff.

[Ploki]

it's just a question of what they're working on.

Laps around Nürburgring in a brand new McLaren?

[RugerioDelStereo]

From my experience, Mac delivers a higher customer support overhead (while the OS is classy/shiny and everything, it's practically not as user-friendly as it is advertised). But despite having much smaller installed computers base, Mac users buy plugins about 75% more frequently than Windows users.

This is the logo of the company that provides 3rd party repair support exclusively for apple laptop products, repairing macbooks down to the component level in order to keep the customers happy but more importantly to take advantage of an opportunity left by a major customer service gap created by Apple. The company has about 15 employees and is owned by a 30-something year old (eg. they are successful). Their logo basically describes Apple customer mentality:


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Have you even LOOKED at your post signature lately? Stop whining, make music. God, are you boring.

[chk071]

You do understand that all that means is that you are happy to settle for average performance, right?

I'm not much of a gamer. I'm a writer, programmer, and musician. I do not have "average" performance on my M1 Max laptop. I have better performance than I can get on any Windows laptop for the same money, and it doesn't turn into an oven, is silent, and more portable.

Good thing you wrote that last disclaimer, because, of course you get better performance for almost 4.000 € on a Windows laptop. It surely doesn't "turn into an oven" either.

There's no point in discussion your personal decision, of course, but, that's just pulling things out of... thin air, to avoid swear words.

[cryophonik]

As an Intel Mac (and PC) user, I think I'm more surprised at: (1) how quickly many developers actually did get to M1 compatibility and (2) that anybody thought that Apple introducing a whole new chip and OS's optimized for that chip would somehow go quickly and smoothly.

[thecontrolcentre]

^^