Vember Audio Shortcircuit is now open source!
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 23102 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
...it doesn't actually sample.
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- KVRist
- 157 posts since 5 Mar, 2021
In my mind a VST sampler doesn't really need to sample.
But to qualify as a "real" instrument sampler, it does need to at least do all those things that good hardware samplers did 25 years ago - like proper key maps, layering, round robins, etc. Surprisingly few VST samplers do!
But to qualify as a "real" instrument sampler, it does need to at least do all those things that good hardware samplers did 25 years ago - like proper key maps, layering, round robins, etc. Surprisingly few VST samplers do!
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 23102 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
Hmmmm, surprisingly few? Kontakt, Falcon, HALion, EXS24, HISE, Gorilla Engine, Decent Sampler, and I bet quite a few more do all of those things.
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- KVRist
- 51 posts since 22 Sep, 2017
TX16Wx is also another sampler that can sample.EvilDragon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 1:03 am Hmmmm, surprisingly few? Kontakt, Falcon, HALion, EXS24, HISE, Gorilla Engine, Decent Sampler, and I bet quite a few more do all of those things.
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- KVRAF
- 2241 posts since 25 Sep, 2014 from Specific Northwest
Petty details!
I'd be happy with a sample-playing plug-in that didn't sound like nails on a chalkboard to my ears.
I started on Logic 5 with a PowerBook G4 550Mhz. I now have a MacBook Air M1 and it's ~165x faster! So, why is my music not proportionally better?
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- KVRist
- 157 posts since 5 Mar, 2021
Well, okay, discounting the 3 giant monsters and the DAW-specific ones, as well as the ones that will play a library but not edit the sounds (SFZ is my choice for that kind of thing), THEN there aren't many full-featured instrument samplers...EvilDragon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 1:03 am Hmmmm, surprisingly few? Kontakt, Falcon, HALion, EXS24, HISE, Gorilla Engine, Decent Sampler, and I bet quite a few more do all of those things.
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 23102 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
Nice goalpost moving.
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- KVRist
- 157 posts since 5 Mar, 2021
Ha! I guess I just didn’t do a good job at defining my idea of a “VST Sampler” in the first place.
I’ve been on a years-long search for a sampler that isn’t too big and cumbersome, allows me to use across multiple DAWs, have a pleasant enough interface to be fun to use, and be full featured enough for DIY old school instrument multisampling.
Most of what you get now is either a bit too simplified, or geared towards the chop-and-stretch kind of user. Like Serato Sample, Bliss, Nuance, or TAL Sampler (which in many ways I like).
TX16Wx technically fits, but man, I must have tried 4-5 times to warm up to it, but I could never get myself to like the workflow and GUI.
- KVRAF
- 11093 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal
Have you tried Arturia Emulator V?MTorn wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 3:16 pmHa! I guess I just didn’t do a good job at defining my idea of a “VST Sampler” in the first place.
I’ve been on a years-long search for a sampler that isn’t too big and cumbersome, allows me to use across multiple DAWs, have a pleasant enough interface to be fun to use, and be full featured enough for DIY old school instrument multisampling.
Most of what you get now is either a bit too simplified, or geared towards the chop-and-stretch kind of user. Like Serato Sample, Bliss, Nuance, or TAL Sampler (which in many ways I like).
TX16Wx technically fits, but man, I must have tried 4-5 times to warm up to it, but I could never get myself to like the workflow and GUI.
Fernando (FMR)
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- KVRist
- 157 posts since 5 Mar, 2021
I have, as well as their CMI and their Synclavier. The Emu II would be my favorite of those. Arturia-bloat aside, it's quite charming.
But it too is a bit too simplistic. Only 8 samples per instrument, and nothing in the way of round robins, release samples, that kind of thing. And I'm quite dependent on some simple modulations that this doesn't have, like velocity->sample start, and velocity->VCF decay time.
My favorite for working quickly with simple sampled instruments (no velocity layers or round robins) is actually the ancient (20 years old) NN19 sampler in Reason (and NN-XT for more "advanced" stuff). But I'm looking to jump off the Reason ship, so I'm looking for a replacement for NN19 and the nearly as ancient NN-XT.
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- KVRist
- 51 posts since 22 Sep, 2017
Well, how about HighLife? It's now free (for non-commercial use). And yes, it can sample.
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- KVRAF
- 11093 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal
I think those kind of features can only be seen in a more advanced sampler (like the ones you don't want to use - Kontakt, HALion and Falcon)MTorn wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:14 pmI have, as well as their CMI and their Synclavier. The Emu II would be my favorite of those. Arturia-bloat aside, it's quite charming.
But it too is a bit too simplistic. Only 8 samples per instrument, and nothing in the way of round robins, release samples, that kind of thing. And I'm quite dependent on some simple modulations that this doesn't have, like velocity->sample start, and velocity->VCF decay time.
Fernando (FMR)
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 23102 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
Well not necessarily. Vel > sample start is a pretty common thing I'd say, and so is modulating envelope times. Shortcircuit does all that.
- KVRAF
- 11093 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal
Shortcircuit was quite advanced for its time, IMOEvilDragon wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:53 am Well not necessarily. Vel > sample start is a pretty common thing I'd say, and so is modulating envelope times. Shortcircuit does all that.
Fernando (FMR)
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- KVRist
- 157 posts since 5 Mar, 2021
Yes, just yesterday actually!fotisandstuff wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 5:20 am Well, how about HighLife? It's now free (for non-commercial use). And yes, it can sample.
But sadly, it crashes Logic Pro instantly. Even if I can troubleshoot is and get it running, it doesn't bode well for future stability.