Da hast Du es schwarz auf weiß, Urs. Und man muss nun wirklich kein Anwalt sein, um zu verstehen, dass der Grund, den Du selbst dafür genannt hast, dass Du personenbezogene Daten auf Deinen Software-Oberflächen sichtbar machst, den hier genannten Bedingungen in keiner Weise und nicht im Entferntesten entspricht.Personenbezogene Daten müssen
e) in einer Form gespeichert werden, die die Identifizierung der betroffenen Personen nur so lange ermöglicht, wie es für die Zwecke, für die sie verarbeitet werden, erforderlich ist
TO ALL Developers of Software Plugins ! Take out Personal Informations from Plugins !
- KVRAF
- 23502 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
"Preamps have literally one job: when you turn up the gain, it gets louder." Jamcat, talking about presmp-emulation plugins.
- u-he
- 28067 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
DSGVO regulates what a business can store or tell about a customer. If a customer posts a picture with their license info, that's on their own behalf.Tj Shredder wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 8:07 amNo dev is allowed to display personal information on the screen!
That said, yes, a physical address or telephone number is usually not any information a plug-in manufacturer needs to store if they sell online through resellers.
- KVRAF
- 23502 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
Nope, that is your (false) interpretation of it. Look at the paragraphs I quoted above. You are in clear violation of them. There is simply no way around this fact.Urs wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 10:56 amDSGVO regulates what a business can store or tell about a customer. If a customer posts a picture with their license info, that's on their own behalf.Tj Shredder wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 8:07 amNo dev is allowed to display personal information on the screen!
"Preamps have literally one job: when you turn up the gain, it gets louder." Jamcat, talking about presmp-emulation plugins.
- u-he
- 28067 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
Das ist Quatsch. Die Information befindet sich auf dem Computer des Kunden. Wir nehmen keinen Einfluss darauf, wem dieser Kunde seinen Namen zeigt.jens wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 10:36 amDa hast Du es schwarz auf weiß, Urs. Und man muss nun wirklich kein Anwalt sein, um zu verstehen, dass der Grund, den Du selbst dafür genannt hast, dass Du personenbezogene Daten auf Deinen Software-Oberflächen sichtbar machst, den hier genannten Bedingungen in keiner Weise und nicht im Entferntesten entspricht.Personenbezogene Daten müssen
e) in einer Form gespeichert werden, die die Identifizierung der betroffenen Personen nur so lange ermöglicht, wie es für die Zwecke, für die sie verarbeitet werden, erforderlich ist
(Und da wir ja kostenlosen Support anbieten, müssen wir ja in der Lage sein, die Legitimität des Kunden zu überprüfen, und daraus ergibt sich ja ein klarer Zweck. Kann mir gar nicht vorstellen, wie jemand darauf kommt, dass dies nicht so wäre)
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- u-he
- 28067 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
Sure, our lawyers and data security people have missed than and random guy from the internet destroys our business model in two posts.jens wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 11:01 amNope, that is your (false) interpretation of it. Look at the paragraphs I quoted above. You are in clear violation of them. There is simply no way around this fact.Urs wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 10:56 amDSGVO regulates what a business can store or tell about a customer. If a customer posts a picture with their license info, that's on their own behalf.Tj Shredder wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 8:07 amNo dev is allowed to display personal information on the screen!
I'm outta here (unless used as free pass to broadcast more nonsense), sorry if I even dared to participate with my "shitty" views (that have helped more people than the harm they caused).
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- KVRAF
- 23502 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
Quatsch?
Ist über eine Bildschirmaufnahme eine Identizierung des Kunden möglich?
Ja, ist sie!
Erfolgt die derartige Speicherung personenbezogener Daten Eurerseits aus dem Grund, oder zu
dem Zweck, zu welchem Ihr diese personenbezogenen Daten ursprünglich erhoben habt?
Nein, das tut sie in keiner Weise.
You may be in denial all you like. You won't manage to change the facts though.
Ist über eine Bildschirmaufnahme eine Identizierung des Kunden möglich?
Ja, ist sie!
Erfolgt die derartige Speicherung personenbezogener Daten Eurerseits aus dem Grund, oder zu
dem Zweck, zu welchem Ihr diese personenbezogenen Daten ursprünglich erhoben habt?
Nein, das tut sie in keiner Weise.
You may be in denial all you like. You won't manage to change the facts though.
"Preamps have literally one job: when you turn up the gain, it gets louder." Jamcat, talking about presmp-emulation plugins.
- u-he
- 28067 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
- Beware the Quoth
- 33182 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
what's the German for 'armchair lawyer?'
my other modular synth is a bugbrand
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- KVRAF
- 35449 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
Hobbyjurist.
You know, would like to post my opinion, but, Urs got offended by just asking for the procedure of verifying customer data in support cases, so... Seems to be a touchy topic, so, I won't be further involved.
You know, would like to post my opinion, but, Urs got offended by just asking for the procedure of verifying customer data in support cases, so... Seems to be a touchy topic, so, I won't be further involved.
- u-he
- 28067 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
It's not touchy at all, as long as we stick to facts and not unfounded assumptions.
- Banned
- 4491 posts since 8 Jul, 2008 from UK
I still laugh at when Darren Styles and DJ Breeze were caught red handed using a cracked version of T - Racks lolz
Don't trust those with words of weakness, they are the most aggressive
- KVRAF
- 23502 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
Wow - that's a lot of hyperbole right there. No, I am not seeking to "destroy your business".
Random guy? Well, I was just the messenger, so I would prefer "irrelevant" over "random" in that regard.
But when it comes to randomness, I would deem "random one of your customers" far more appropriate here. That is a small, but certainly not irrelevant difference.
"Preamps have literally one job: when you turn up the gain, it gets louder." Jamcat, talking about presmp-emulation plugins.
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- KVRAF
- 35449 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
How is it even possible to understand that without assuming how you work?Urs wrote: ↑Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:55 am Well, for us it has helped a lot to display "registered to ..." on the init preset. Over the years, numerous people have been helped by it with their support cases. And also, numerous people have been helped to become legit - or at least, stopped from sharing warez.
You throw in some pieces, and then complain about assumptions. Pretty strange IMO.
- KVRAF
- 23502 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
ja, aber nicht auf eine Art und Weise, die dem Kunden die Kontrolle über die Darstellung dieser Daten erlaubt.
As I already mentioned (In German) the law is (certainly deliberately) so clear in that regard, that you really do not have to be a lawyer to comprehend it. And thus any play of the lawyer/no lawyer card here is absurd and ridiculous by default - it's merely a red herring.
"Preamps have literally one job: when you turn up the gain, it gets louder." Jamcat, talking about presmp-emulation plugins.
- KVRAF
- 23103 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
Except Urs has already consulted lawyers about this and the outcome is that it's not illegal what u-he is doing. If it were, you can bet they'd change it.