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Pashkuli · Post by **Pashkuli** » Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:59 pm

Good for you, I guess.
But here we discuss PMN system, as the name says: Plain Music Notation

Plain: means it is direct, no reference to anything or special cases
Music: application for it
Notation: method of writing it, visual and tactile (suitable for direct Braille) information (symbolic)

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:46 pm

I dont play plain music

Erisian · Post by **Erisian** » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:47 pm

Hink wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:46 pm I dont play plain music

Pashkuli · Post by **Pashkuli** » Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:22 pm

Hink wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:46 pm I dont play plain music

Me neither.
It was intended as a pun, plain... playin'
Also matches the P from Pashkuli (as a brand name).
But I write music in plain notation form as is.

Pashkuli · Post by **Pashkuli** » Wed Jan 19, 2022 1:18 pm

Updates have been made and reflected to PMN (see first page) or short examples here!

Here if you'd like you can download (from the images bellow) a top view for the Pashkuli redesign of the standard piano keyboard (the resolution is big enough; file size is 1.5MB; maybe could use it as a background layout):

Here is how I use it in Synthesia 10 (renova overlays will be uploaded later: google drive link to all 12 renova overlays). Also the portable program 'Overaly Wallpaper 3' for overlaying images will be uploaded. But you could use PureRef (also portable) if you want as well.

*the green stripe spans the keys from the root in the "middle" renova

PMN in Synthesia.jpg

from the example above, here is what happens on the PMN score:

Chopin - Da.jpg

BertKoor · Post by **BertKoor** » Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:52 pm

Pashkuli wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 1:18 pm [...] the images bellow [...]

That first one is broken for us. Maybe not for you. Needs to be public instead of private on google drive?

Pashkuli · Post by **Pashkuli** » Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:22 pm

Should be alright now. I gave access to the whole folder.

Pashkuli · Post by **Pashkuli** » Fri Jan 21, 2022 4:16 pm

Here is a basic introduction to the PMN system (screenshots and .pdf source). I am working now on the JavaScript app and will try to compose a 'PMN guide' as a PMN book. Until then... enjoy!

Link to the .pdf source:
Introduction to PMN system

Pashkuli · Post by **Pashkuli** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 4:21 pm

shawshawraw wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 3:42 pm I think this notation is quite cumbersome vertically. Can you transcribe this passage?

I did a small comparison here:

Jazzy PMN.jpg

So, PMN wins in this case as well.

P.S. Keep in mind that for those chords at the end I separated each two lowest notes to be performed by the left hand (because the last 4 chords have each two lowest notes on the eF-clef). I do not know how on the standard notation those are meant to be played with only the right hand (on a standard piano seems impossible).

shawshawraw · Post by **shawshawraw** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 4:40 pm

Yay you did it!

Berklee Jazz Snobs lol!!

Definitely not performable by one hand. Even the first bar the single notes legato. I need two hands to properly execute that too.

I have small hands (10 white keys at maximum but can't deliver power/accuracy at this point) and I often have to find workarounds with wide intervals.

Pashkuli · Post by **Pashkuli** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 4:43 pm

Indeed, but do not ask me how much time it took me to enter the notes in a standard score editor, in order to export them as a MIDI.
In PMN it was just copy\paste 95% of the time.

Here is the clean engraving (notice that in such cases PMN saves ≈1/3 vertical space):

PMN jazzy.jpg

Pashkuli · Post by **Pashkuli** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 6:49 pm

shawshawraw wrote: Sat Jan 22, 2022 4:40 pm Yay you did it!

I am not sure about one thing, but since the score program plays it as the same note (by pitch), I am a bit confused by the standard notation the way it is written in the example.
Could please confirm or clarify if any difference there is, so I can add a sixth note in the last chord of the PMN engraving.

huh.jpg

shawshawraw · Post by **shawshawraw** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 6:59 pm

Pashkuli wrote: Sat Jan 22, 2022 6:49 pm I am not sure about one thing, but since the score program plays it as the same note (by pitch), I am a bit confused by the standard notation the way it is written in the example.
Could please confirm or clarify if any difference there is, so I can add a sixth note in the last chord of the PMN engraving.

huh.jpg

Hey good catch! They're indeed the same note on the paper. I never realized. I've always thought and played the upper one a Eb (while it's indeed a Db) because it sounds good going into the next bar (also I can keep my thumb on that Eb note to locate the next chord).

An example of fuzziness, you may want to say

Pashkuli · Post by **Pashkuli** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 7:39 pm

I reshaped it as you play it. On the score it is F, but plays Eb. I do not know what is going on with this standard score. That is why I never got a good grasp of it. It is just awful.

PMN jazzy (new).jpg

Erisian · Post by **Erisian** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 7:55 pm

Pashkuli wrote: Sat Jan 22, 2022 7:39 pm I reshaped it as you play it. On the score it is F, but plays Eb. I do not know what is going on with this standard score. That is why I never got a good grasp of it. It is just awful.

PMN jazzy (new).jpg

Yeah, it is F and should be played as F. I don't know what is going on with your software but it is not a problem with standard score. Your software should not be playing E flat.

Pashkuli: PMN (Plain Music Notation)