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chk071
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Post Wed Jan 19, 2022 4:54 am

sQeetz wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 4:01 am
chk071 wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:56 amYes, rumours. Spread by obective, independent people, I'm sure. :hihi:
We will have to wait and see... But if they don't... I mean. if they don't have plans to make the desktop Mac Pros significantly more powerful than the laptops, then this whole thing was pointless in the first place, now wasn't it? :hihi:
I'm sure they will be. :) I'm, just not sure that they will outclass everything. I mean... I'm sure that they won't.

sQeetz
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968 posts since 8 Jan, 2005

Post Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:03 am

chk071 wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 4:54 amI'm sure they will be. :) I'm, just not sure that they will outclass everything. I mean... I'm sure that they won't.
oh... by "outclass anything available now" I meant Apple outclassing their own stuff. Because you said:
Ask yourself whether or not YOU would build competing hardware in your product which outclasses your own.
They will make stuff that is better than whatever it is they have right now.

I don't believe they will be able to build faster CPUs than AMD (at cost of thermals, though). Apple will scale up and whatnot, but from what I gather AMD is top of the game right now.
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FapFilter
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1234 posts since 29 Oct, 2015 from Jupiter 8

Post Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:38 am

but from what I gather AMD is top of the game right now.[
ATM it seems to be Intel again, but who knows for how long.
Anyway… competition is good for everyone! :tu:
There's no Logic to Windows

sQeetz
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Post Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:47 am

FapFilter wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:38 amATM it seems to be Intel again, but who knows for how long.
For a multiple times more heat.
Anyway… competition is good for everyone! :tu:
It indeed is

have you ever seen those Videos where some people hit incredible CPU speeds by using liquid nitrogen to cool off the CPUs in order to get record speeds? Is that something you want to have?
I heard you need near 0 degrees kelvin for a quantum computer to operate. Not because of Heat dissipation, because of quantom somethings i can't undestand. Nice...Let's have that
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kritikon
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6283 posts since 24 May, 2002 from Tutukaka, New Zealand

Post Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:25 pm

We're a loooooooooooooooong way off absolute zero in home PCs.

Sweaty Ear
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Post Sun Jan 23, 2022 6:20 am

chk071 wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:04 am If anything, you can compare 1.000 € to 1.000 €, and, desktops will always be the winner. Naturally.
see. every time the desktop wins a vote someone makes a good point about the laptop or vice versa. my confidence starts to bob. it seems options to use both could be really helpful. would hate to buy something then realize it's useless for my needs. don't know much about freezing cpus in nitrogen and quantum computers tho. maybe we have just scratch the surface when it comes to that. things are good with mac cuz they are an older company than windows so no one worries about them becoming extinct.

FapFilter
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1234 posts since 29 Oct, 2015 from Jupiter 8

Post Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:25 am

It's actually quite simple: if you don't prefer laptops for whatever reason and don't need portability that much, desktops are the “winners“ (even though there are some extremely fast laptops too that will still cover (or even far surpass) most people's needs). You will “just“ pay more.
Still not a bad pick per se.

Also: most Mac “desktops“ are still more or less “laptops“ in a different form factor for stationary use. You can also get similar machines for Windows, but when people talk about “desktops“ here, they usually don't mean these super slim or small lifestyle devices. The really hardcore machines (or the ones with better cooling capabilities) are usually bigger towers and not something that basically looks like a screen that contains everything except for mouse & keyboard, where you basically have the same performance and heat issues of a laptop

And last but not least: it's highly unlikely that nowadays one of these two giants, namely MS and Apple, will go extinct. Apple has been close to in the 90's but has been financially saved by MS and maybe a few other “investors“, but because of their success on the phone and tablet market i don't think this will ever happen again anytime soon

In short, pros and cons to both:

laptops / slim desktops:
pros:
+ nice and tidy looks
+ portability (in case of laptops)

cons:
- more expensive (sometimes even hilariously overpriced)
- not as upgradable, or even not upgradable at all
- not easy to repair yourself and repairs can get pretty costy

“true desktops“
pros:
+ more bang for your buck
+ extremely upgradable, you can basically configure pretty much every hardware piece to your your likings
+ even higher performances possible due to better cooling and not having to worry that your batteries would be drained within 30 minutes or so
+ easy to replace broken or outdated parts

cons:
- will make your environment look more like an office or work place
- not really portable (other than moving your rig from one place to another)
- consume much more power

as said before: both methods can easily meet or even far exceed your performance requirements
There's no Logic to Windows

ericbaez
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Post Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:26 am

I personally use a laptop solely cause it is portable, If you find yourself not really needing the portability of a laptop then a desktop is the way to go 100%. Desktop beats out anything a laptop can offer in price, lifespan,repairs, and power. I hadn’t had any issues with Ableton on either platform so you won’t really have any big difference other than some performance and heat. that being said i love both my laptop and desktop they both give me a different mindset when it comes to producing a project. hope you find what you need and it works out cheers!

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Unaspected
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2684 posts since 4 May, 2012

Post Sun Jan 23, 2022 11:23 am

I have a 10 mic capable portable setup in a laptop with interface and preamp bank. Used it at a few locations. It's also useful to have a laptop if I'm travelling and want to do some DSP work or something more office-based.

Otherwise, the vast majority of work is done with my desktop. Then I'll use the laptop around the house for leisure - as I am doing now - sitting on a sofa.

Having tried both setups individually (for a few years I only had a laptop 2004 to 2008 and only desktops before that) I favour the desktop for audio editing and mixing; For recording, both desktop and laptop with an additional field recorder; and for sound design, both - though I favour desktop for this, the laptop means I can perform certain aspects (coding, number crunching, etc) anywhere.

If I had to choose only one or the other, I would choose a desktop.

Bulbizarre
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236 posts since 31 Aug, 2020

Post Sun Jan 23, 2022 12:30 pm

If in doubt I would get a laptop so you can keep your projects and softwares with you in case you have to move a lot (i.e work)

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BONES
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13409 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle

Post Sun Jan 23, 2022 5:21 pm

sQeetz wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 4:01 amif they don't have plans to make the desktop Mac Pros significantly more powerful than the laptops, then this whole thing was pointless in the first place, now wasn't it? :hihi:
Not at all because the advantage that Apple Silicon has is lower heat and power consumption, which is good for laptops but mostly irrelevant in the desktop environment. That's why Intel make different CPUs for laptops and desktops, they have, or can have, different priorities. Have Apple even said they are going to make desktop processors for MacPro?
sQeetz wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:47 amFor a multiple times more heat.
So what? That's the lamest defense imaginable. It might be a problem for computer manufacturers who have to keep them cool but it is of less than no importance to users. The only thing that matters is how many instances of our plugins it can run.
earsweat wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 6:20 amthings are good with mac cuz they are an older company than windows so no one worries about them becoming extinct.
What? Apple was founded in 1976, one year after Micrsoft. Neither company is going anywhere.
FapFilter wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:25 amYou will “just“ pay more.
You can pay more, you don't necessarily have to pay more. But it works at both ends - used laptops are generally worth more than used desktops, so you can recover your losses more easily with laptops.
In short, pros and cons to both:
Yeah, I don't really agree with any of them. It's too generalised. e.g. Yes, most laptops aren't upgradeable but gaming laptops are very upgradeable. Similarly, some laptops are expensive but the cheapest MacPro is almost 10 grand here in Australia, which is more expensive than any laptop I have ever seen.

I think the bottom line is to know what you need and find the right machine to fit. It's 15 years since I used a desktop computer for music and at no time have I felt like I've been missing anything. My bandmate has a desktop machine, because he is a bit of a gamer, and he's never sent me anything that didn't play as well on my laptop as it does on his desktop.
Unaspected wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 11:23 amThen I'll use the laptop around the house for leisure - as I am doing now - sitting on a sofa.
I can't imagine anything more annoying. I'll do it when I have to but at home I use my laptop on a desk with a mouse, always. In fact, I couldn't tell you the last time I used mine anywhere other than on a desk with a mouse or on my keyboard stand with a mouse. I've got an old Surface Pro lying around for the couch-surfing thing but I still always get up and go to my desk.

I've said that I need a laptop because we play live, and that's true, but it was really just the reason I first got a laptop. Since switching I've come to realise that there are a lot of really good reasons to choose a laptop. Chief among them is that I have an emotional connection to my laptops that I never, ever had with a desktop PC. A good laptop is a thing of beauty with a level of engineering that generally goes way beyond a desktop machine. I feel like I want to use my laptop, whereas with a desktop computer it's more like I have to use it, so I am generally in a better frame of mind in front of my laptop. There is also the convenience of everything being at your fingertips. You don't have to root around at the back of the machine when you're plugging things in, it's all right there. At the end of the day, I find the experience of working on a laptop more satisfying, which possibly sounds a bit weird but is 100% true for me. It feels more like an integral part of my music than a desktop ever could.
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Michael L
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4024 posts since 25 Jan, 2014 from The End of The World as We Knowit

Post Sun Jan 23, 2022 5:35 pm

Everyone has a different workflow and headspace.
Its so great to have my monitors, controllers, hardware synths, etc connected to my under-desk Mini in the right ways (some can use a hub, some need direct connect) so I just push a button and go.
I don't like laptop ergonomics.
I use an iPhone to record remotely and sync or airdrop.
To each his own.
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Unaspected
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Post Sun Jan 23, 2022 5:50 pm

BONES wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 5:21 pm
Unaspected wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 11:23 amThen I'll use the laptop around the house for leisure - as I am doing now - sitting on a sofa.
I can't imagine anything more annoying.
Try it with a frozen shoulder. :hihi:

I definitely get what you are saying about how inviting a thing is, will encourage use more or less.

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alvfaria
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1342 posts since 4 Apr, 2011 from Rio de Janeiro - Brazil

Post Sun Jan 23, 2022 6:51 pm

To me, the only clear advantage of laptops is they are almost 'noise free' computers.
In all other aspects (for music production) they suck.

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Post Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:04 pm

Very enlightening. Thanks for your useless contribution.
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