Steinberg Discontinuing VST2 Support in its products

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KVRian
1239 posts since 29 Oct, 2015 from Jupiter 8

Post Sun Jan 23, 2022 8:25 am

He's probably just working for Steinberg.
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masterhiggins
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2756 posts since 31 Dec, 2004 from People's Republic of Minnesota

Post Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:00 am

It all eventually gets affected by marketing. I can’t imagine many large companies openly embracing a format with a name commonly associated with venereal disease. Very unfortunate naming.

robindrieghe
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752 posts since 13 Oct, 2006

Post Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:10 am

this is affecting my gas :s
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Yadrichik_Chaya
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173 posts since 5 Oct, 2021

Post Sun Jan 23, 2022 12:10 pm

masterhiggins wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:00 am It all eventually gets affected by marketing. I can’t imagine many large companies openly embracing a format with a name commonly associated with venereal disease. Very unfortunate naming.
I'll HAND you that! A plausible argument. :clap:

Just like purchasing ”Applaws” in a plaza… :phew:

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:clap: :clap: :clap: <———- the name of that smiley is…?
Just look at him ———> :clap: His whole appearance is that of disease… ;)
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rod_zero
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3324 posts since 28 Jan, 2011 from MEXICO

Post Sun Jan 23, 2022 3:23 pm

jamcat wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:59 pm I find it odd that so many people who don’t even use Cubase are so incensed by Steinberg’s decision to stop supporting VST2 plugins in Cubase. IT DOESN’T AFFECT YOU.

Maybe Steinberg’s decision to drop VST2 versions of their plugins might affect you. But that’s only if you’re on an old DAW that doesn’t support VST3 plugins. At that point, whose fault is that? (Hint: Not Steinberg’s.)

If you really want to find someone to blame for the slow adoption of VST3, you might want to start by looking at Ableton. They are the real reason so many developers went to long. A lot of developers looked at as a financial decision: Why invest development resources (time and money) into supporting VST3 when everyone supports VST2, but not everyone (mainly Ableton) doesn’t support VST3?

It took Steinberg ending the issuance of new VST2 licenses as of October 2018 to force Ableton to finally support VST3, since users wouldn’t be able to run plugins from new developers (and they’d have to change their name to Unableton.)

Steinberg is really only to blame for playing softball for so long.

So it was really Ableton that was holding up VST3 adoption, which they did just to trip up a competitor. Same reason why everyone wants to create their own format to rule over.

And that brings us to CLAP. Maybe Bitwig will support it, and the KVR cult can have a jizzfest playing with their u-he plugins in Bitwig. But outside of that, who is going to invest the development resources (time and money) into supporting CLAP in their host? Certainly not Ableton.

So then Bitwig and u-he and Tone2 will have to drop VST support completely to try to force the industry to adopt CLAP in an “us or them” move (that’s why I asked if they are going to.) But that’s a power play that only Steinberg or Apple can afford to make. So in the end, the CLAP ends up becoming yet another proprietary plugin format, and VST3 remains the one and only universal format.
Under these train of thought about Ableton they would be more interested in CLAP, if the argument "they hold onto VST2 to to trip up Steinberg" holds true, what will trip up more Steinberg than Ableton, which is the DAW with the biggest market share, adopting another plug in standard.

So maybe Ableton has some kind of feud with Steinberg? who knows but if true maybe of they adopt CLAP it will be a very big incentive for plugin developers to follow suit, and steinberg will become isolated with their VST3 standard. I think they didn't think about who has the bigger market share now when they wen ahead with dropping VST2 support.
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sqigls
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5014 posts since 25 Dec, 2004

Post Sun Jan 23, 2022 3:44 pm

this just in...
"Ableton gets the CLAP"

yeah, might be time to think of a new acronymn.
CLAP might go the way of Gearslutz...
CLOP maybe ?

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masterhiggins
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2756 posts since 31 Dec, 2004 from People's Republic of Minnesota

Post Sun Jan 23, 2022 6:54 pm

sqigls wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 3:44 pm this just in...
"Ableton gets the CLAP"

yeah, might be time to think of a new acronymn.
CLAP might go the way of Gearslutz...
CLOP maybe ?
How about Audio Instrument Digital System, or AIDS for short?

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Teksonik
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17036 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA

Post Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:10 pm

masterhiggins wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:00 am It all eventually gets affected by marketing. I can’t imagine many large companies openly embracing a format with a name commonly associated with venereal disease. Very unfortunate naming.
I'm afraid I have to agree. It should be early enough in the game to change the name of the new format.

If for nothing else to avoid the snickering and bad jokes. :?

Such as....we have the VST format so why not the STD format....you know stupid stuff like that.
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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sqigls
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5014 posts since 25 Dec, 2004

Post Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:14 pm

masterhiggins wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 6:54 pm
sqigls wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 3:44 pm this just in...
"Ableton gets the CLAP"

yeah, might be time to think of a new acronymn.
CLAP might go the way of Gearslutz...
CLOP maybe ?
How about Audio Instrument Digital System, or AIDS for short?
perfect!

dune_rave
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2266 posts since 23 Jun, 2006 from Hungary

Post Sun Jan 23, 2022 9:53 pm

RTFM would be a better name, just to remind users : )

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crickey13
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780 posts since 27 Aug, 2020

Post Sun Jan 23, 2022 11:47 pm

Teksonik wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:10 pm
masterhiggins wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:00 am It all eventually gets affected by marketing. I can’t imagine many large companies openly embracing a format with a name commonly associated with venereal disease. Very unfortunate naming.
I'm afraid I have to agree. It should be early enough in the game to change the name of the new format.

If for nothing else to avoid the snickering and bad jokes. :?

Such as....we have the VST format so why not the STD format....you know stupid stuff like that.
Any publicity is good publicity, so it only ensures the success of clap. :clap:

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crickey13
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780 posts since 27 Aug, 2020

Post Sun Jan 23, 2022 11:55 pm

sqigls wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 3:44 pm this just in...
"Ableton gets the CLAP"

yeah, might be time to think of a new acronymn.
CLAP might go the way of Gearslutz...
CLOP maybe ?
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10148 posts since 2 Sep, 2003 from Surrey, UK

Post Mon Jan 24, 2022 3:45 am

^^^^
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wronger America" ?

PS, I've looked but could not find the answer: what does CLAP stand for?
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Teksonik
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17036 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA

Post Mon Jan 24, 2022 4:27 am

crickey13 wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 11:47 pm Any publicity is good publicity, so it only ensures the success of clap. :clap:
Nah negative publicity is always bad. Sure someone once said it's better to have people speak ill of you than not speak of you at all but it wouldn't hurt to find a better name for the new format....while it's still new.

CLAP is rather crude and unsophisticated given it's double entendre.
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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Michael L
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Post Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:04 am

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