Pashkuli: PMN (Plain Music Notation)

[Erisian]

Honestly i hope your system fails.

If you think you will be alive to see it getting momentum... that is not going to happen.
It will be re-discovered probably at the end of this century, maybe early next century.
We won't be alive.

It won't last the course that traditional notation has. Grow up!

[Pashkuli]

Standard music notation has been proven old, obsolete and time wasting.
Yes, it has been imposed in education for more than half a millennium.
But thankfully with the development of modern electronic and sound recording it will die out.
Sure, not as fast as it should, but eventually will.

[Erisian]

Standard music notation has been proven old, obsolete and time wasting.

Utter crud!

[imrae]

Standard music notation has been proven old, obsolete and time wasting.

[citation needed]

[Pashkuli]

[citation needed]

You can cite me.
Oh, wait. I forgot... you need someone with a title from a music educational institution.
Correct?

[Pashkuli]

Standard music notation has been proven old, obsolete and time wasting.

Utter crud!

Please, read the whole thread so far. I know you won't do it, so here is a quick check list of question, I would like to read (hear) answered by you (oddly enough it is just one simple question!):
· if we have 12 notes in modern 12-TET system, why don't we give them their own respective letters, noteheads (that is a bit advanced, I know) and thus their own 12 names?

Any answers related to a 'special case' referring to a particular scale, particular instrument layout of notes and even particular alphabet or favourite structure of such, will be just that: special case.

Please, proceed.

[BertKoor]

Because 99% of music produced in the western world is based on scales of seven notes only and we're happy throwing in accidentals for the remaining five when needed.

[Pashkuli]

Because 99% of music produced in the western world is based on scales of seven notes only and we're happy throwing in accidentals for the remaining five when needed.

So, it is a special case. But what 7 note scales? Because there are quite a few\many?
And which one would determine the accidentals?
Do you think that academic teacher Max Reger wanted to show how beautiful his music can be written with all those accidentals?

The frightening thing is (probably) that you really believe in being "happy throwing in accidentals when needed".

[Erisian]

Please, read the whole thread so far. I know you won't do it

I've been following it, I don't need to read it again. There is no point in me answering your points because you just sh*t on anybody who knows better than you.

[whyterabbyt]

But thankfully with the development of modern electronic and sound recording it will die out.

So you've decided to notate modern electronic and sound qualities like timbre and spacialisation after all?

[Niklashe]

Anyone willing to help?
No matter how I try to fit a note\rest... the last low bar is always incomplete?
And how do I even insert a sharp next to a double sharp already present?
This "standard music notation" is such a joke.

I see nothing wrong with the way you have notated it. Have you ever considered that there might be some problem how your notation software handles layers (or you that not understands how it works) that is the problem and not a problem with standard notation? And the first example with a double sharp and a sharp ever considered that it might be an editorial error? Find some other source to see if it is the same there!

And don't worry, Max Reger is already dead so you wont have to meet him...

The second example by him, the symphonic, is perfectly easy to read... You move up and down stepwise on keyboard as flats, sharps and naturals are introduced. I don't need the name of any note during these progressions...

[shawshawraw]

And the first example with a double sharp and a sharp ever considered that it might be an editorial error? Find some other source to see if it is the same there!

It's not an error. It makes sense because the triple sharp has to be notated as an embellishment note a semitone lower than the double sharped note, yet they cannot exist on the same line.

I guess Max Reger intended to break the system

[No_Use]

Just found another "masterpiece" of standard music notation from a gibberish "opus" of this individual...
Johann Maximilian Reger, commonly known as Max Reger – German composer and academic teacher. He was a musical director at the Leipzig University Church, as a professor at the Royal Conservatory in Leipzig, and as a music director at the court of Duke Georg II of Saxe-Meiningen.

Right...
Imagine a person like myself having to apply for a new music notation to such a representative of the music education authority. Waste of time. Expectedly his music is not even close to become mediocre.
But is abundant with accidentals, so he must be super well musically educated. Right...

Max Reger - Symphonic Fantasia.jpg

Can you show that in PMN for comparison?

[Erisian]

Just found another "masterpiece" of standard music notation from a gibberish "opus" of this individual...
Johann Maximilian Reger, commonly known as Max Reger – German composer and academic teacher. He was a musical director at the Leipzig University Church, as a professor at the Royal Conservatory in Leipzig, and as a music director at the court of Duke Georg II of Saxe-Meiningen.

Right...
Imagine a person like myself having to apply for a new music notation to such a representative of the music education authority. Waste of time. Expectedly his music is not even close to become mediocre.
But is abundant with accidentals, so he must be super well musically educated. Right...

Max Reger - Symphonic Fantasia.jpg

Can you show that in PMN for comparison?

I would like to see Pashkuli's qualifications for comparison too. Just some kind of evidence that he has any clue whatsoever of what he is talking about whenever he sh*ts on traditional music notation and on established composers that use it (like the vast majority of them do)

[Niklashe]

And the first example with a double sharp and a sharp ever considered that it might be an editorial error? Find some other source to see if it is the same there!

It's not an error. It makes sense because the triple sharp has to be notated as an embellishment note a semitone lower than the double sharped note, yet they cannot exist on the same line.

I guess Max Reger intended to break the system

Well, yes you are right, its part of the sequence, but really how many would have chosen to notate it like that? If Reger didn't want to break the system then he perhaps was a bit too strict for his own good. Maybe the masters of chromaticism aren't the best examples of how good the standard notation system is

What should we feed Pashkuli with next, Sorabji? What about this one?