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11114 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Kingston, Jamaica

Post Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:38 am

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dentaku
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19 posts since 4 Nov, 2011

Post Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:01 pm

maanga wrote: Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:39 pm 12700K and 12900K require liquid cooling (AIO) to get high performance. No need zillion tracks. I better stick with 12600K. Regards
Lots of people are running the highest end Alder Lake processors just fine on regular air coolers.
AOIs are only useful for gamers who want to run everything as fast as possible and care about not having a big heatsink taking up space next to their giant video cards behind their ridiculous glass side panels. :)
Musicians don't need liquid cooling even for a 12900.

Gregorywalters
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5 posts since 14 Jan, 2022

Post Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:57 pm

Thanks for the information. its a really helpful for me and others also I think.

arrakeen
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331 posts since 10 Apr, 2002

Post Mon Feb 07, 2022 3:38 pm

dentaku wrote: Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:01 pm
maanga wrote: Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:39 pm 12700K and 12900K require liquid cooling (AIO) to get high performance. No need zillion tracks. I better stick with 12600K. Regards
Lots of people are running the highest end Alder Lake processors just fine on regular air coolers.
AOIs are only useful for gamers who want to run everything as fast as possible and care about not having a big heatsink taking up space next to their giant video cards behind their ridiculous glass side panels. :)
Musicians don't need liquid cooling even for a 12900.
I recently bought Scan's 12900k Dr Mix, but had buyers remorse that there was no bling. I chatted with Pete the audio specialist for about a week (can't stress how knowledgeable he is), he did some tests with an AIO he recommended and was impressed with the results of the stress test, it also had some RGB. So from standard build, I changed changed the case, cooler, mobo (for other reasons) and power, added some RGB strips and a single RGB fan and have a beautiful quiet system arriving tomorrow. Additionally added UAD Octo and a RTX 3060... for casual gaming. It wasn't cheap, but I'm very happy. It has a ridiculous smoked glass side panel, I love it! 850 PSU, 12900k, 32GB DDR5 5600, RTX 3060 built on a ROG STRIX Z690-F GAMING WIFIZ690. :D
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1190 posts since 7 Apr, 2019 from Canada

Post Mon Feb 07, 2022 5:14 pm

It's running hot, with a few sub-versions likely it will be more efficient. I have an older FX8350, and have considered a 9590. However, a 9590 uses 125 watts; and that's alarming.

The only things I consider is: newer, brand new and more recent to a small degree. Likely the sse support was updated. That's important. But, it would be demanding on My power supply and perhaps I'd be demanding too much power 1/100 times. That rare occurance would likely result in a system shutdown.

The same for this new cpu, while the M1 would not be. But, I have one; and tbh, it's not as good as they say. Even My FX8350 outperforms in most every way. It's just flash.

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4 posts since 23 Feb, 2022

Post Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:39 am

Own a12900k pc, only using internal gpu.

Done the cubase bench test at 32/64/128 buffer

Amd 5950 get 88 tracks, 32 buffer
My 12900k with ddr5 did 100 tracks
,Pcore 5000mhz /Ecore 4000mhz 1.26volt.
Standard is 4900mhz turbo/ P cores so only 100mhz overclock.
E-cores slight overclock from 3700 to 4000mhz.

Even at 64 or 128 buffer i manage around 100 tracks, 1% diff

Have custom build watercooling so
Tested 5500mhz around 1.5 volt
5500mhz= 6core
5200mhz =2 core
All 8 Efficent cores set to 4000mhz

Manage 104 tracks with 32/64/128 buffer

In my opinion its no need of overclocking 12900k when using it for music.
And a better aircooler is enough with standard settings.

Hanz Meyzer
KVRAF
1913 posts since 20 Oct, 2014

Post Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:01 am

Well still think that cisc is at the end of the road. RISC finally seems to be the future. Sadly apple does not seem to have a real competitor here. They will easily beat any “new” iteration by Intel, due the advanced platform. But maybe they do not even care, and that’s kinda sad.

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KVRian
1234 posts since 29 Oct, 2015 from Jupiter 8

Post Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:12 am

Not necessarily though.
I've always been a RISC fan myself (like how you put RISC in capital letters and (unintentionally? :hihi: ) CISC not ;) ), but CISC is good in a lot of ways too.
The very first ARM chip literally destroyed the competition back in 1984-1986 (whenever it was released), but still the others caught up quickly.
Also, if i'm not mistaken Intel technology has incorporated RISC stuff into their processors for a long time aswell, so it's not “just“ CISC either
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2DaT
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467 posts since 21 Jun, 2013

Post Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:41 am

Milky way wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:39 am In my opinion its no need of overclocking 12900k when using it for music.
In general overclocking is dumb if you use your pc for work. Even if you don't work on your pc, data loss or crashes - is not fun and is not worth it. Not all errors lead to system crashes - some can corrupt your data quietly.

Overclocking gains used to be much larger back in the days™. But even then, it was most efficient for low tier cpus.

These days you get like 10% performance for extra heat, reduced stability and lifespan. It's not worth it. And certainly don't want to overvolt the chip if you plan to use it for a long time.

chk071
KVRAF
31687 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Post Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:56 am

I never understood the need to overclock your computer. Seems more like a geek placebo to me.

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467 posts since 21 Jun, 2013

Post Wed Feb 23, 2022 5:27 am

chk071 wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:56 am I never understood the need to overclock your computer. Seems more like a geek placebo to me.
It used to be okay in 1990-2000. Chips used to have huge overclocking headroom, especially low tier cpus - because they were just downclocked high tier models. So it was more like a pay 100$ get 250$ chip - not much tinkering required. And software at the time felt very sluggish - it was very much noticeable.

But these days - you buy a K chip, you buy a Z motherboard, you buy an industrial radiator, you buy a 1000w atomic reactor - all that for pitiful +10% gain. All that on top of heat, reduced stability and lifespan. You also void the warranty doing it.

These high tier chips - they are pretty much overclocked to the max from the factory. You certainly can't guarantee the stability of the clocks like intel does, because they don't rely on software testing, they use hardware measurements on the chip.

legendCNCD
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1289 posts since 23 Sep, 2004 from Kocmoc

Post Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:56 am

Milky way wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:39 am Own a12900k pc, only using internal gpu.

Done the cubase bench test at 32/64/128 buffer

Amd 5950 get 88 tracks, 32 buffer
My 12900k with ddr5 did 100 tracks
,Pcore 5000mhz /Ecore 4000mhz 1.26volt.
Standard is 4900mhz turbo/ P cores so only 100mhz overclock.
E-cores slight overclock from 3700 to 4000mhz.

Even at 64 or 128 buffer i manage around 100 tracks, 1% diff

Have custom build watercooling so
Tested 5500mhz around 1.5 volt
5500mhz= 6core
5200mhz =2 core
All 8 Efficent cores set to 4000mhz

Manage 104 tracks with 32/64/128 buffer

In my opinion its no need of overclocking 12900k when using it for music.
And a better aircooler is enough with standard settings.
Which motherboard do you have on i9-12900? How are DPC's?
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4196 posts since 21 Oct, 2001 from my bolthole in the south pacific

Post Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:22 am

The whole CISC vs RISC thing is 20+ years out of date. All the x64 CPUs available chew micro-ops - CISC instructions are broken down into micro-ops which are fed down the pipeline. On no account do "complex instructions" hit the CPU between the legs like a plate of cold porridge and stall the execution like in the bad old days of the 1990s. That sort of thinking applied when cpus had ~ 1 million transistors. Now, they have billions and billions. The performance problem is more to do with feeding enough instructions and data to keep up with all the CPU cores which spend a lot of time spinning their wheels even with all the cacheing and SSDs.

Milky way
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4 posts since 23 Feb, 2022

Post Thu Feb 24, 2022 11:47 am

legendCNCD wrote: Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:56 am
Milky way wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:39 am
Which motherboard do you have on i9-12900? How are DPC's?
Hi, its a ASUS ROG STRIX z690 F gaming wifi

Milky way
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4 posts since 23 Feb, 2022

Post Thu Feb 24, 2022 12:01 pm

ASUS ROG STRIX z690 F gaming wifi.
Great with the capabilities to use 4 m.2 NVME on the mobo, i have 4+1 nvme mounted, instead of Graphiccard.

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