Wotja 22 - Generative Music App & Plug-in Host (Free, Pro; AUv3 / VST3)

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that's good to hear! thanks.

will 22.1.0 include a fix for the MIDI problem introduced in 22.0.11?

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hi pete,

i tested 22.1.0 and the problem which i reported at the bottom of page 39 of this thread is not fixed.

i want to buy Wotja while it is on sale, but the whole point of asking you to extend the sale was to see if the problems would be worked out before purchasing. :help:

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JamminFool wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:08 am hi pete,

i tested 22.1.0 and the problem which i reported at the bottom of page 39 of this thread is not fixed.

i want to buy Wotja while it is on sale, but the whole point of asking you to extend the sale was to see if the problems would be worked out before purchasing. :help:
Hi, and thanks for asking!

I've tested personally with Reaper, Cakewalk, Tracktion - and have no MIDI routing problems in any of them. Beta testers have also - I think - tried pretty much every other DAW and found no MIDI routing problems.

That said, I have yet to try your reported scenario with Reason Rack - simply due to lack of time - though I hope to do this at some point, because I'd like to get to the bottom of it.

The problem is intriguing; as with the MIDI routing working for (seemingly) every DAW, why some specific plug-in wouldn't work as expected is really odd.

I appreciate that doesn't fit with your timescales, and can only apologise.

Best wishes, Pete

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NB I've had a Beta tester confirm separately that with the Tracktion Waveform Experimental Engine enabled, MIDI routing doesn't work as expected. That, clearly, is something outside of our control, and is something for the Tracktion team to look at.

Best wishes, Pete

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On the subject of Reason Rack - has anybody with Reason Rack, tried the same sort of scenario under an alternative DAW such as Cakewalk (free!) or Reaper (free to play with...)?

Best wishes, Pete

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JamminFool wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:08 am hi pete,

i tested 22.1.0 and the problem which i reported at the bottom of page 39 of this thread is not fixed.

i want to buy Wotja while it is on sale, but the whole point of asking you to extend the sale was to see if the problems would be worked out before purchasing. :help:
Hi again! I have this detailed response just in from a Beta Tester.
I just tried setting up something similar to the setup on p39. I don't really know Tracktion that well but managed to set up something similar.

On Tracktion track 1 there's a Wotja mix playing drones on ch1 and other generators on ch2 and 3. A MIDI monitor on the output shows that it is outputting notes on those 3 channels.

The MIDI input to track 2 is from track 1 and a MIDI monitor shows that the same MIDI is arriving there as output from Wotja.
There's a rack on track 2 with one MIDI patchbay sending ch1 to 4OSC and another sending channels 2 & 3 to another instance of 4OSC.
The audio output of 4OSC 1 is routed to track 2 output and the audio of 4OSC 2 is routed to track 3 output.

This all seems to work as expected with the experimental engine turned off.

It doesn't work with the experimental engine enabled but I probably wouldn't expect Wotja to support experimental features in Tracktion.
I hope this is of some help, anyhow.

Best wishes, Pete

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i'm afraid that you are missing the point. the reason rack example is only to demonstrate that the scenario works in Tracktion Waveform.

when everything else in the scenario remains exactly the same, and only Wotja is swapped out, then it fails utterly. Both with the Experimental Engine on and with it OFF.

if you look on the bottom of the next page where i reported this, you will see that zzzOOm confirms that something is broken.

no offense, but you will have to show me how you were able to send MIDI on different channels to different tracks in Waveform.

edit: i just saw the post from your beta tester. i will look into his scenario, which is somewhat different than mine.

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impete wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:27 am NB I've had a Beta tester confirm separately that with the Tracktion Waveform Experimental Engine enabled, MIDI routing doesn't work as expected. That, clearly, is something outside of our control, and is something for the Tracktion team to look at.

Best wishes, Pete
but it works when using the Reason Rack. that is my point. the only difference is Wotja.

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JamminFool wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:51 am no offense, but you will have to show me how you were able to send MIDI on different channels to different tracks in Waveform.
None taken :)

Here is what my test project looks like. As you can see, it is very modest. It simply proves that MIDI routing works. I've not attempted any channel splitting.

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Please bear in mind that I'm not a specialist in *any* of the DAWs. I simply don't have to the time to learn any of them in any depth. I dig into each one only enough to be able to verify that Wotja works as intended.

I'm sure there are going to be scenarios where this *doesn't* work, after all DAWs are incredibly complicated with some wonderful features and alternative ways of working!

Best wishes, Pete
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impete wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:35 am

I just tried setting up something similar to the setup on p39. I don't really know Tracktion that well but managed to set up something similar.

On Tracktion track 1 there's a Wotja mix playing drones on ch1 and other generators on ch2 and 3. A MIDI monitor on the output shows that it is outputting notes on those 3 channels.

this already failed for me. i see output only on channel 1 from Wotja. One cell has a generator that is supposed to output to channel 1 and the other to channel 2.

placing MIDI Monitor directly in-line after Wotja (on the same track) shows MIDI arriving only on channel 1.

switching both generators to channel 2 shows no MIDI output arriving to the MIDI Monitor.

i don't understand what i am doing wrong.

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JamminFool wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:13 pm i don't understand what i am doing wrong.
Hi!

Am I right that you're using the Free version of Wotja?

That only sends on MIDI channel 1.

I'm sorry if I've been dense and not realised this earlier - please forgive me if so. There are so many environmental factors to consider when it comes to user support!

Bets wishes, Pete

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:D

no, i had no idea. MY BAD! :oops:

that explains a LOT.
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JamminFool wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:17 pm :D

no, i had no idea. MY BAD! :oops:

that explains a LOT.
Phew. Again, I'm really sorry that hadn't filtered earlier into my poor brain!

Best wishes, Pete

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Pete makes mental note to self: check first if user has the Free version of Wotja :)

Pete

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however i stand by my claim that it should still work with the experimental engine ON, since it works with other MIDI plugs (ie. Reason Rack)

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