Hi,
I had a lot of questions in the past, and here are so many people, who helped me.
Now I want to give you also some input.
One question I've spent so many h in the past was, how to create depth in a mix. There are so many explanations out there. You never know, who gets paid by whom, and who is really competent.
I've found this great explanation by Daniel Dettwiler by accident. I know him somewhat personally.
(He's a freak, e.g. has bought and renovated the old Console from the Abbey Road Studios (Queen...). He's a hardware feak, so he know's about which are good emu plugins and which are not... He is not paid by any plugin... company, he has the biggest mic collection in Switzerland, some mics are really old).
If you want to learn something about Reverb and depth in a mix from an engineer, who does world class recordings in Jazz, Classical music but also Pop, check this out:
(also other vids from him are very interesting, you will recognize it).
I'm not paid by him for any promotion.
Cheers
Tomas
Great Explanation creating Depth
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- Banned
- 2524 posts since 4 Jul, 2019
thanks so much - extremely good explanations. Will watch the rest (just done the first so far)
And it is a great pleasure to listen to someone who is working on music I like rather than having to translate insights and techniques from some pop engineer who works on music I often dont like at all
And it is a great pleasure to listen to someone who is working on music I like rather than having to translate insights and techniques from some pop engineer who works on music I often dont like at all
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- KVRian
- 645 posts since 22 Jun, 2003 from Germany
Such unbelievable great tutorials!
In a short time I learned more than in years.
The way he clearly demontrates which impact the combination of pre-delay + reverb shaping (enveloppe) has on the depth of a vocal was mind blowing to me.
It becames all at once so clear and understandable.
I missed that he does not specifically talk about his use of probably one reverb per track as it seems that this is the way he works. I could only read in his comment in a later tutorial:
"I use different verbs for different tracks but try to set it up so that my entire depth sounds nice and everything fits to each other."
I assume then that due to the way he works it has to be taken for granted.
I learned my humble skills about mixing on hardware a long time ago where I almost never came in a situation to have more than one reverb.
During the transition to ITB work I automatically kept the same way using send on each track sending to the same reverb.
The maximum I did was one reverb for all instruments and another one for the vocals.
I cannot recal that he talked about the stereo panorama or did I miss something?
I would like to know how he makes use of it.
Anyway thanks a lot @ TomTom79 for pointing at these great tutorials
In a short time I learned more than in years.
The way he clearly demontrates which impact the combination of pre-delay + reverb shaping (enveloppe) has on the depth of a vocal was mind blowing to me.
It becames all at once so clear and understandable.
I missed that he does not specifically talk about his use of probably one reverb per track as it seems that this is the way he works. I could only read in his comment in a later tutorial:
"I use different verbs for different tracks but try to set it up so that my entire depth sounds nice and everything fits to each other."
I assume then that due to the way he works it has to be taken for granted.
I learned my humble skills about mixing on hardware a long time ago where I almost never came in a situation to have more than one reverb.
During the transition to ITB work I automatically kept the same way using send on each track sending to the same reverb.
The maximum I did was one reverb for all instruments and another one for the vocals.
I cannot recal that he talked about the stereo panorama or did I miss something?
I would like to know how he makes use of it.
Anyway thanks a lot @ TomTom79 for pointing at these great tutorials
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 71 posts since 2 Jan, 2017
Thanks,
place all questions here, I can try to ask him, to answer these questions in a vid. But he always has a lot to do.
In an email he wrote: For important things, he uses hardware rerverbs. ITB he uses Altiverb as IR. Relabs Lexicon LX480 is also quite nice, if you have no Hardware.
If you want to know more about his stereo mixing, you can also go to his page to "projects". There you get an idea how he mixes: https://www.ideeundklang.com/studio/en/
Cheers
Tom
place all questions here, I can try to ask him, to answer these questions in a vid. But he always has a lot to do.
In an email he wrote: For important things, he uses hardware rerverbs. ITB he uses Altiverb as IR. Relabs Lexicon LX480 is also quite nice, if you have no Hardware.
If you want to know more about his stereo mixing, you can also go to his page to "projects". There you get an idea how he mixes: https://www.ideeundklang.com/studio/en/
Cheers
Tom
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- KVRian
- 645 posts since 22 Jun, 2003 from Germany
Thank you.
I have one question that you probably can answer yourself without asking Daniel:
when he uses compression or any additional effect like saturation, is it on the reverb signal only?
I have one question that you probably can answer yourself without asking Daniel:
when he uses compression or any additional effect like saturation, is it on the reverb signal only?
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- KVRian
- 1194 posts since 27 May, 2008
hey that aint cool man, now my cat is possessed
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- KVRian
- 1194 posts since 27 May, 2008
Seriously there is a book called Art of Mixing, it shows the big balloons and some get squashed some are big and some are small, they are panned or they are further back or more forward in a 3D room. That is the art as well.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 71 posts since 2 Jan, 2017
I do housemusic but with a lot of real percussion samples. Actually the most of the samples are real instruments. But the problem as always: Creating depth is very difficult, if you want to keep it "tight" and not washed.
That's what I'm doing: https://www.facebook.com/essentialtides
I asked Daniel, if he would do a mixing session with one of my beats (vocals I'm not that interested there's enough outhere you can watch), I don't expect a perfect mix, (because that will become too expensive I guess). All ITB with Plugins I have. So we can see, what's possible and what's not.
If there's interest in working with percussion samples, that have no room sound. I could place all detailed adjustments here. The single tracks raw, with editing & the whole mix.
I've never seen a satisfying description with detailed examples and the whole mix. That's the reason why I would spend some money to learn it for my kind of music.
That's what I'm doing: https://www.facebook.com/essentialtides
I asked Daniel, if he would do a mixing session with one of my beats (vocals I'm not that interested there's enough outhere you can watch), I don't expect a perfect mix, (because that will become too expensive I guess). All ITB with Plugins I have. So we can see, what's possible and what's not.
If there's interest in working with percussion samples, that have no room sound. I could place all detailed adjustments here. The single tracks raw, with editing & the whole mix.
I've never seen a satisfying description with detailed examples and the whole mix. That's the reason why I would spend some money to learn it for my kind of music.
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- KVRian
- 645 posts since 22 Jun, 2003 from Germany
Thank youTomTom79 wrote: Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:14 am Normally you do compression on the Reverb only and not on the mix of Reverb and Instrument. I think he does it also like this. But no rule without exception.
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- KVRian
- 645 posts since 22 Jun, 2003 from Germany
I am interested but is there any chance to post a music link other than FaceBook (I do not use itTomTom79 wrote: Mon Jan 31, 2022 11:57 am I do housemusic but with a lot of real percussion samples. Actually the most of the samples are real instruments. But the problem as always: Creating depth is very difficult, if you want to keep it "tight" and not washed.
That's what I'm doing: https://www.facebook.com/essentialtides
I asked Daniel, if he would do a mixing session with one of my beats (vocals I'm not that interested there's enough outhere you can watch), I don't expect a perfect mix, (because that will become too expensive I guess). All ITB with Plugins I have. So we can see, what's possible and what's not.
If there's interest in working with percussion samples, that have no room sound. I could place all detailed adjustments here. The single tracks raw, with editing & the whole mix.
I've never seen a satisfying description with detailed examples and the whole mix. That's the reason why I would spend some money to learn it for my kind of music.
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- KVRian
- 645 posts since 22 Jun, 2003 from Germany
Thank you.
Very nice and great improvisation skills
And yes I am curious to hear and see how you would proceed to give space to this kind of music.
On my side I must confess that I do not find it easy to get everything balanced and in the right space specially in very crowded songs with a lot of polyphonic vocals (I wrote a lot of Musicals).
I am primary a composer and not an engineer but I love to learn everything
Very nice and great improvisation skills
And yes I am curious to hear and see how you would proceed to give space to this kind of music.
On my side I must confess that I do not find it easy to get everything balanced and in the right space specially in very crowded songs with a lot of polyphonic vocals (I wrote a lot of Musicals).
I am primary a composer and not an engineer but I love to learn everything
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- KVRAF
- 9580 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space
This was a real masterclass…