Steinberg Discontinuing VST2 Support in its products

[crickey13]

Oh but if I understood that correct CLAP is open source. Also u-he built it and if I trust anyone to get it right, it's Urs and his team.

CLAP is MIT-based, yes. From what I understand, CLAP can also be used to build more stable AU plugins; if a developer chooses to develop plugins in CLAP and then wraps them to AU, you could potentially benefit from such a scenario as well.

Urs was briefly consulted with regard to CLAP and will eagerly adopt the format once it's out, he's not the one developing it though.

[crickey13]

nvm

[Music Engineer]

From what I understand, CLAP can also be used to build more stable AU plugins

aaand: vst3 plugins as well. so, unless steinberg tries to actively prevent plugin manufacturers from delivering vst3 as wrapped clap by legal and/or technical means, it could actually be a win/win. and why would they do such a thing? i don't really see any benefit in doing so. steinberg wants plugins to appear in vst3 format which is what they get. what happens under the hood is irrelevant.

[EvilDragon]

I am not sure how they could prevent anyone with a legitimate VST2 SDK license from producing a CLAP to VST2 wrapper.

And even then, VST2 ABI could just be clean room reverse engineered. They cannot do anything about that legally - ABI is not covered by the license nor copyright.

[Markus Krause]

I am not sure how they could prevent anyone with a legitimate VST2 SDK license from producing a CLAP to VST2 wrapper.

And even then, VST2 ABI could just be clean room reverse engineered. They cannot do anything about that legally - ABI is not covered by the license nor copyright.

https://github.com/pierreguillot/FTS

FST - Free Studio Technology: header files for building audio plugins

this is a simple header file to allow the compilation of audio plugins and audio plugin hosts following the industrial standard of Steinberg's VST(2).

Steinberg provides a VST2 SDK, but:

it has a proprietary license
is no longer available from Steinberg (as they removed the VST2-SDK to push VST3)

FST is the attempt to create a bona-fide reverse-engineered header file, that is created without reference to the official VST SDK and without its developer(s) having agreed to the VST SDK license agreement.

All reverse-engineering steps are documented in the REVERSE_ENGINEERING document.

FST is under the GNU General Public License. But it could be helpful for reverse-engineering and creating a vst2 compatible interface with a liberal licensing

[DarkStar]

  9 TERM AND TERMINATION
1. The Agreement shall run for an unlimited period.
2. Steinberg is entitled to terminate this Agreement with a 24 months written notice. For the validity of the termination it shall be sufficient that Steinberg sends the termination to the last known email address of the Licensee.
3. Steinberg is entitled to terminate this Agreement with a 6 months written notice if Steinberg publishes a new version of VST Software Developer Kit subject to a separate licensing Agreement.
4. If the Licensee is in breach of any material obligations set out in this Agreement and does not cure such breach by Steinberg’s demand within 14 days, Steinberg shall be entitled to terminate this Agreement immediately. In such a case, this license and all the rights granted to the Licensee herein shall immediately cease.
5. The right to extraordinary termination for good cause shall remain unaffected.
6. For the validity of the termination, it shall be sufficient that Steinberg sends the termination to the last known email address of the Licensee.
7. Any and all prior VST 3 Plug-In SDK Agreements between Steinberg and the Licensee shall be automatically terminated by signing this Agreement.

(emphasis mine), as is I am guessing those are the two clauses of concern?
rsp

So Steinberg could publish VST4 and 6 months later terminate all VST3 Agreements. What third-party company would wish to enter such an Agreement?

[zvenx]

edit: As Music Engineer pointed out this is in fact the AU Logo agreement. My bad.



The Apple AU Logo agreement. (not relevant in this thread)

https://developer.apple.com/licensing-t ... dio-units/

https://developer.apple.com/licensing-t ... go_lic.pdf

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rsp

[Music Engineer]

that's about the logo, not the au-sdk

[Atlatnesiti]

Vst 2 is dead, long live Vst 3 and beyond

[zvenx]

that's about the logo, not the au-sdk

You are right, I copied the wrong thing.. is there an au-sdk agreement that Apple requires?

Is it one of these here:
https://developer.apple.com/support/terms/

rsp

[rasmusklump]

Are you obsessed with defending steinberg at all costs ? Don't you have any real work to do like recording?

[EvilDragon]

Vst 2 is dead, long live Vst 3 and beyond

Except look at all those DAWs happily working with VST2 without fault.

[chk071]

Vst 2 is dead, long live Vst 3 and beyond

Except look at all those DAWs happily working with VST2 without fault.

Or those DAW's which still work with 32-bit without fault.

[crickey13]

Except look at all those DAWs happily working with VST2 without fault.

Well, until St*inberg goes full asshole mode. Hope not, only time can tell.

[MirkoVanHauten]

Vst 2 is dead, long live Vst 3 and beyond

Except look at all those DAWs happily working with VST2 without fault.

and even on M1