Is talent born or created with hard work and practice

[matrixo9]

There is one kid for example in my son's old team
He has amazing skill , but I have spoke to his parents , and there beliefs are holding him back , he will be on the building site with his older brother in a coupl of years , down the pub after , sounds like my dad all over again.

[matrixo9]

There are things that I make better than others do and that are easy or easier for me than other things. I clearly see my results, they aren't bad and this doesn't take an enormous amount of time. That's my talents. And there are things... hmmm... that seems to be beyond my possibilities. I don't even know how to approach to it. I am able (in theory) to do it but the way to them will be very hard and long.

So taking into consideration some people will have better athletic Ness they could be faster taller stronger , etc
Is talent really a thing born inside us
I don't think it is
I think we all have traits advantages disadvantages etc , but talent is honed developed over time bit by bit , and a good mindset is needed to grow
Then you see someon amazing on stage and your like wow he/she is talented but you didn't see the days weeks months years of graft /hard work to get there i believe talent is made not born
I think some of us with normal lives jobs like to tell ourselves that talent is a magical thing
Just to make ourselves feel better
Wha do you think ?

You mixed up abilities and work. Without work nothing will be. Even talented people need to make something. Without it their talent is just something potential, it almost doesn't exist. It must be showed, and that requires efforts. The question is an amount of work.

You are talking about hard work. OK. If you don't have talent you can succeed by hard work. I agree, there is no reason to give up. But it doesn't cancel existence of innate abilities and dispositions to make something better and without effort or with less effort. Or... Some of us are beautiful by birth, some are ugly as hell. Objectively. Ugly one really can become beautiful. But now he/she isn't.

P. S. It's more important to know and not to forget your talents than compare yourself to others and say: 'O, I'm not talented...' I'm not talented in this but I'm talented in other things. So i'm talented

Your talking about things out of your control
Like good looking Ness or speed
Long legs etc , this is not talent
And will only get you so far , ugly singers and actors are getting laid far more than you and me my friend because there oozing self confidence

You can say your talented but only after you become talented
A baby won't come out the womb and say
Think yep I got this I'm talented
If his dad beats him down all the time through his childhood
Upbringing , all these things contribute I think

[BertKoor]

The scientists say yes, talent is real:

Talent—when I use the word, I mean it as the rate at which you get better with effort. The rate at which you get better at soccer is your soccer talent. The rate at which you get better at math is your math talent. You know, given that you are putting forth a certain amount of effort. And I absolutely believe—and not everyone does, but I think most people do—that there are differences in talent among us: that we are not all equally talented.

[matrixo9]

The scientists say yes, talent is real:

Talent—when I use the word, I mean it as the rate at which you get better with effort. The rate at which you get better at soccer is your soccer talent. The rate at which you get better at math is your math talent. You know, given that you are putting forth a certain amount of effort. And I absolutely believe—and not everyone does, but I think most people do—that there are differences in talent among us: that we are not all equally talented.

We could argue this until the cows come home ,
For me I'm seeing the evidence before my very eyes , which is why I don't believe in God for me I have to see the evidence of something not on paper but in real life and I've never seen god ( he could have excisted not to say he doesn't but I won't believe until I see him , and I'm satisfied for now in my opinion that talent is made and not born with what I have seen in my kids and others .

[matrixo9]

It's good to see what people think on this opinion I wanted to see as me and my cousin had a big argument on this as he told me my son will never play for a big team or he would have been already and that his baby will never play for a big team if he started ( he in fact like a lot o people believe that there newborn is not talented already ) . I don't know if he will get there my son , who knows the future ( if not he will be a pe teacher or something football related I'm sure , but I think with hard work anything is possible , my dad never give me this theroy I just had a theroy . That I've squandered what talents I acquired by not believing in my self enough as people always said you have a great voice , I never built the confidence or self belief needed , which is the main thing I feel you need over ability
But again in my opinion
Thanks people

[lobanov]

Your talking about things out of your control
Like good looking Ness or speed
Long legs etc , this is not talent

Yes, it's not a talent. But those things are innate. All innate things are out of our control.

"I'm not talented" is nonsense. In general. No. There aren't people who don't have any talent. In what in particular? It's a bit more exact. When somebody says "I'm not talented" he/she creates a trap for him(her)self.

All what you want to say to us is "You can". Yes, we can. Who does disagree?

Or is the question whether we can or may think we are talented? Yes, we can and we may think like this. All of us can and may.

And another thought. Can we be talented in all? Is it possible? I'm sure you think we can. But who could be all, make all, succeed in all the things?

[The Noodlist]

I think talent is real.
I also think commitment and dedication can also help.

I've noticed talented people usually don't do as well in other areas, mental and physical divide.

I knew a lad at school who was in the lowest class, not very studious. But he could draw like a professional without any formal teaching. Anything to do with his hands he excelled at, but not so much mentally.

Another lad, who was not very studios and in a low class, excellent at sports, tennis, cricket, football.

Another, a very bright student but didn't have much common sense. Not very good at practical stuff.

I believe we all excel at something, we just don't know what. You might be a fantastic at knitting, but have you tried it?

[matrixo9]

I think talent is real.
I also think commitment can also help.

I've noticed talented people usually don't do as well in other areas, mental and physical divide.

I knew a lad at school who was in the lowest class, not very studious. But he could draw like a professional without any formal teaching. Anything to do with his hands he excelled at, but not so much mentally.

Another lad, who was not very studios and in a low class, excellent at sports, tennis, cricket, football.

Another, a very bright student but didn't have much common sense. Not very good at practical stuff.

I believe we all excel at something, we just don't know what. You might be a fantastic at knitting, but have you tried it?

This is the thing noodle
Why we shouldn't hold kids back on belief in themselves , and try them out with different things they will stick at what the enjoy , hence why one kid is so called better at one thing he enjoys it more he has self belief etc
Telling kids you need something there before u begin holds them back , my son is 5 foot 9 inches tall he is 14 he is a centre back and he is worried that what if he doesn't reach 6ft to be a defender , I was like who writes this bullshit , that didn't hold back Carlos puyol did it and anyway I'm sure he has more growing , it's all this negative bullshit we have of standards of what one has to be to fit the mould , go out and break the mould kids , that's how greatness is made .

And look im not a deluded parent here
I know there are many people that don't make It
And he may go do something else time will tell
But wha I've seen in a short space of time with some.of these kids has convinced me

Some will never do it unless there parents attitudes change
Sure the kids needs drive
But they also need a parent helping pushing a friendly little push
Or they will stay in there room on PlayStation eating cake
But them go and dream and believe
Don't hold them back with our own negativity .

[matrixo9]

I think talent is real.
I also think commitment can also help.

I've noticed talented people usually don't do as well in other areas, mental and physical divide.

I knew a lad at school who was in the lowest class, not very studious. But he could draw like a professional without any formal teaching. Anything to do with his hands he excelled at, but not so much mentally.

Another lad, who was not very studios and in a low class, excellent at sports, tennis, cricket, football.

Another, a very bright student but didn't have much common sense. Not very good at practical stuff.

I believe we all excel at something, we just don't know what. You might be a fantastic at knitting, but have you tried it?

I excel and putting on weight and then losing it and putting it back on is that a talent

[Hink]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/14/rocket- ... study.html

[lobanov]

@matrixo9

An example. I am (let's imagine this) a good composer, I write excellent songs. But I am a bad singer. I can but... you understand, I must spend many years to start singing fine. You are a good singer but you can't write good songs. You can too but... My songs are nothing without your voice, your voice is nothing without my songs. We need each other. Right now.

That's why we don't need to be talented in all.

[The Noodlist]

I excel and putting on weight and then losing it and putting it back on is that a talent

[vurt]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/14/rocket- ... study.html

as they keep you awake for some brain surgery (see banjo playing during brain surgery) just don't tell the surgeon this, mid operation.

or if you hire someone to design a rocket for you!

keep these people sweet!!!

[Hink]

dude do you really think I have to worry about brain surgery? What's to operate on?

[vurt]

dude do you really think I have to worry about brain surgery? What's to operate on?

i heard a peanut rattle when you were headbanging.