Let's see how the results will differ
EDIT: I voted Ableton Live here & Bitwig in previous one.
If you had to stick to one DAW - and ONLY its native 1st party devices + sounds - which one would it be?
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- Banned
- 11467 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland
This is a follow up to previous poll, but this time the additional constraint is you can't use 3rd party VSTs / AUs / AAXs / M4Ls / REs but only the 1st party native stuff that comes with top version of the DAW.
Let's see how the results will differ
EDIT: I voted Ableton Live here & Bitwig in previous one.
Let's see how the results will differ
EDIT: I voted Ableton Live here & Bitwig in previous one.
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- addled muppet weed
- 111299 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
other.
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- KVRist
- 312 posts since 19 May, 2017 from Ukraine, Odesa
It is Logic of course. Good allrounder. Plenty of instruments with decent sound quality, plenty of synths, and good collection of FXs. No brainer really.
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- KVRAF
- 1863 posts since 11 Apr, 2008
Still Cubase. For work, I have HALion and Padshop and for my 'music-that-is-not-making-any-money', I can cheat and use hardware 
If I had mac then I most likely would choose Logic.
If I had mac then I most likely would choose Logic.
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- KVRist
- 39 posts since 26 Dec, 2010
Long live P5!
Kind regards,
Living Room Rocker
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- KVRAF
- 5144 posts since 3 Oct, 2013
do you like the current look of it, just downloaded the demo and it looks like a DAW from IdiocracySerhii Kot wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 4:05 pm It is Logic of course. Good allrounder. Plenty of instruments with decent sound quality, plenty of synths, and good collection of FXs. No brainer really.
10.2.4 was supercool
vs now
"Where we're workarounding, we don't NEED features." - powermat
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- KVRist
- 69 posts since 15 Jul, 2013 from Tirol, Austria
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- KVRAF
- 9115 posts since 28 Apr, 2013
I think it depends on what is considered "Native"? And at what level of DAW is the user's preference? I personally don't use any sample loops beyond basic drum patterns that generally get swapped out for my own input playing somewhere in the process. And I've yet to be moved by any "stock" keyed samples as well. Generally speaking, third party sample developers blow away anything stock.
e.g. I prefer the lighter versions of both Bitwig 16T and Cubase Elements partly because I don't use their stock plugins, samples, etc. and with Cubase, the full HALion/Groove Agent are technically not stock instruments. However, depending on how Steinberg implements their next philosophy, I might still consider it as a one stop working environment.
(Cubase Elements/Absolute.)
Or I might have to move on from them as well...
Bitwig unfortunately, demands third party plugins to be any use for me.
And Mixbus, (which I'm surprising getting along with very well since this latest version) falls under that same place of needing third party plugins to be a real contender for me.
Logic fails, simply because it's a locked system from people that are upping their control over as much as they can.
I loved Logic and Alchemy before Apple took them hostage, but all metaphors of kidnapping apply there and I can't subscribe to the idea of submitting to that pathology of what amounts to a psychological abuse of their victims.
So not sure I can offer a vote on the poll. It is a decent contemplation though. Lately, under the ideal of minimization and ability to use on any system, I lean more toward the old cowboy metaphor of horse and tack. i.e. The horse will eventually die, and we should be able to use the tack on any horse that's available until it wears out.
Maybe something that has yet to be released?
e.g. I prefer the lighter versions of both Bitwig 16T and Cubase Elements partly because I don't use their stock plugins, samples, etc. and with Cubase, the full HALion/Groove Agent are technically not stock instruments. However, depending on how Steinberg implements their next philosophy, I might still consider it as a one stop working environment.
(Cubase Elements/Absolute.)
Or I might have to move on from them as well...
Bitwig unfortunately, demands third party plugins to be any use for me.
And Mixbus, (which I'm surprising getting along with very well since this latest version) falls under that same place of needing third party plugins to be a real contender for me.
Logic fails, simply because it's a locked system from people that are upping their control over as much as they can.
I loved Logic and Alchemy before Apple took them hostage, but all metaphors of kidnapping apply there and I can't subscribe to the idea of submitting to that pathology of what amounts to a psychological abuse of their victims.
So not sure I can offer a vote on the poll. It is a decent contemplation though. Lately, under the ideal of minimization and ability to use on any system, I lean more toward the old cowboy metaphor of horse and tack. i.e. The horse will eventually die, and we should be able to use the tack on any horse that's available until it wears out.
Maybe something that has yet to be released?
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- KVRian
- 898 posts since 26 Jul, 2018 from Germany
I would create my tracks entirely in Reaktor or VCV Rack. No DAW....