Is talent born or created with hard work and practice

[cryophonik]

So success is not necessarily a by-product of talent. I remember Mark Knofler saying he had friends who were better than him but they just played in their bedrooms. Nothing wrong with that imho.

hell, most of my musician friends were more talented and had far better technical skills than I had back in my glory days, yet I took it much further than most of them did (music degree, music instructor, 15+ years earning a living as musician, etc.). It really used to bother me when people would say "he's so talented, must be born with it". F### that. Thanks for dismissing all the countless hours I'd work at it, all the sleep I sacrificed, all the tension, apprehension, depression, etc I'd go through, etc etc etc just to be a somewhat better than mediocre player. My biggest "talents" were probably my learned musical knowledge, quickness at learning anything, good ear, determination, willingness and eagerness to play, and being (mostly) easy to work with/team player. If you took all of that out of the equation, I'd be left as a decently skilled bassist/keyboardist making music in my home studio (oh wait, that's what I'm doing now )

[matrixo9]

Most of people that tell you talent is born are the ones who haven't got it or wait for it !!
They are bitter they haven't made it big

most of the people who basically state 'most people agree with me' are full of it.


(and by 'it' i dont mean talent.)

On the contrary most people disagree with me

[matrixo9]

People constantly disagree with me I question everything lol
So I'm not full of anything but junk food baby

[JamminFool]

So success is not necessarily a by-product of talent. I remember Mark Knofler saying he had friends who were better than him but they just played in their bedrooms. Nothing wrong with that imho.

It really used to bother me when people would say "he's so talented, must be born with it". F### that. Thanks for dismissing all the countless hours I'd work at it, all the sleep I sacrificed, all the tension, apprehension, depression, etc I'd go through, etc etc etc just to be a somewhat better than mediocre player.

but these don't have to be mutually exclusive. you can be talented and work hard.

My biggest "talents" were probably my learned musical knowledge, quickness at learning anything, good ear, determination, willingness and eagerness to play, and being (mostly) easy to work with/team player.

exactly. that is your talent. someone else might be envious of that.

[Effectsworks]

Both I'd say. But you can get there with practice dedication and hard work.

[jackoo]

by definition: a natural ability to be good at something, especially without being taught

therefore, I guess if you teach yourself, it could be considered.
Depends on your definition of "natural"

[cryophonik]

My biggest "talents" were probably my learned musical knowledge, quickness at learning anything, good ear, determination, willingness and eagerness to play, and being (mostly) easy to work with/team player.

exactly. that is your talent. someone else might be envious of that.

Both I'd say. But you can get there with practice dedication and hard work.

True to both, but I guess my underlying point was that I don't feel like it had much to do with "being born with it" in my case. For me, it's always been about my own personal goals and motivation. I can trace that back to my childhood and remembering specific artists, songs, and performances that inspired me to want to make music, coupled with my family and friends always encouraging me to chase my dreams. I don't feel like any of that (i.e., motivation or musicianship) was some god-gifted natural talent that I was born with. Then again, I guess I have no way of refuting that some of it was possibly inherent.

[pekbro]

If I had to work hard at stuff, I'd never accomplish anything I don't think that
somehow invalidates anything I do though...

I do think I can never be as good of an artist for instance, as someone who works hard and
dedicates themselves to that. Not without doing the same anyway...

[JamminFool]

My biggest "talents" were probably my learned musical knowledge, quickness at learning anything, good ear, determination, willingness and eagerness to play, and being (mostly) easy to work with/team player.

exactly. that is your talent. someone else might be envious of that.

Both I'd say. But you can get there with practice dedication and hard work.

True to both, but I guess my underlying point was that I don't feel like it had much to do with "being born with it" in my case. For me, it's always been about my own personal goals and motivation. I can trace that back to my childhood and remembering specific artists, songs, and performances that inspired me to want to make music, coupled with my family and friends always encouraging me to chase my dreams. I don't feel like any of that (i.e., motivation or musicianship) was some god-gifted natural talent that I was born with. Then again, I guess I have no way of refuting that some of it was possibly inherent.

at the very least, quickness at learning anything, and a good ear, are certainly something you were born with.

[JamminFool]

the ones that deserve to be admired are those who are born with an ability and work hard at it.

by taking nothing for granted, they usually excel.

[Hink]

If I had to work hard at stuff, I'd never accomplish anything I don't think that
somehow invalidates anything I do though...

I do think I can never be as good of an artist for instance, as someone who works hard and
dedicates themselves to that. Not without doing the same anyway...

https://www.iloboyou.com/ridiculous-pai ... -millions/

[jackoo]

so talent is in the eyes of the person enjoying art, only.

[matrixo9]

My biggest "talents" were probably my learned musical knowledge, quickness at learning anything, good ear, determination, willingness and eagerness to play, and being (mostly) easy to work with/team player.

exactly. that is your talent. someone else might be envious of that.

Both I'd say. But you can get there with practice dedication and hard work.

True to both, but I guess my underlying point was that I don't feel like it had much to do with "being born with it" in my case. For me, it's always been about my own personal goals and motivation. I can trace that back to my childhood and remembering specific artists, songs, and performances that inspired me to want to make music, coupled with my family and friends always encouraging me to chase my dreams. I don't feel like any of that (i.e., motivation or musicianship) was some god-gifted natural talent that I was born with. Then again, I guess I have no way of refuting that some of it was possibly inherent.

at the very least, quickness at learning anything, and a good ear, are certainly something you were born with.

I was quick at running but then I started smoking weed at age 11 and properly with my father when I was 14 which made me gonky
So that's bullshit
There are ear training methods
A baby doesnt have a good ear a child may have a good ear but he is exposed
I picked up a mic and was right at home
But only after seeing my dad's bad Elvis impressions
Which wasnt that bad and actually quite fun to watch as a 5 year old
Why did I get this voice and no my siblings
Because I enjoyed looking at those old gits on tha kareoke machine it looked fun
Like the most fun thing ever to me
So I picked it up real quick.

Why didn't my siblings sing too

Did I have a talent they didn't ?
No they was probably looking at him like what a drunken fool
Or they didn't care or they thought it was silly
I was lookin at it like woaah I wanna do it
On the flip side
Riding a bike took f**king ages
Much longer than most kids
I don't ride bikes as an adult I despise the things lol

[pekbro]

If I had to work hard at stuff, I'd never accomplish anything I don't think that
somehow invalidates anything I do though...

I do think I can never be as good of an artist for instance, as someone who works hard and
dedicates themselves to that. Not without doing the same anyway...

https://www.iloboyou.com/ridiculous-pai ... -millions/

Well that's one thing about art for sure. I have always thought that being successful as an artist is very similar to selling real-estate. It's mostly about schmoozing, one reason I don't do it for a living.

[matrixo9]

the ones that deserve to be admired are those who are born with an ability and work hard at it.

by taking nothing for granted, they usually excel.

Come on stop it please newborn babies
Are born with only 6 abilities
Shit, piss , eat sleep and cry
And the abilitiy to take away your freedom
It is worth it in the end I promise