Is talent born or created with hard work and practice

[vurt]

it's not for random kvr members...

sounds like someone trying to say we shouldn't do it.
fux you love.

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

it's not for random kvr members...

sounds like someone trying to say we shouldn't do it.
fux you love.

Aah. Can’t you take a little sound criticism without implying that you are an offer for intended censorship? Aren’t you British? Don’t be such a sissy, then, or you may provoke Scandinavia to invade you again.

[vurt]

Aren’t you British?

as ive said, many times, no. in fact, i find being called "british" quite offensive! but that's a whole other thread.

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

Is “A Brit” better? Or “English man”? As a Dane, I really prefer the word “slave”, but that would not be restricted to people from Britain, and that’s a whole other thread too.

[BertKoor]

you don't get to decide what we can discuss

What we discuss is under NDA anyway

[vurt]

Is “A Brit” better? Or “English man”?

are you norwegian?
i live here, not from here.

[Hink]

no sir imo you are completely wrong...two people can share the same opinion but have different perspectives on how it affects them and how they manage.

Is that so? Good luck convincing the gene researchers to take the perspective of your family anecdotes into account in their next articles, then

I dont need luck, I am in an amazing point in my life...the last year has been about reflection and such. You have some sort of belief that you have any ability to know all about me (you obviously missed my point which is fair). You have theories, I have direct evidence, undeniable evidence into my 7th decade on this earth to look at and show my success. You have words on the internet you choose to judge by, I am not sure I would speak for scientists when your evaluations are based on your perception of words you may not have completely read or understood that you read on the internet in a music forum. That seems a bit less empirical than my experience and those who were around sharing my experience might be

I am sitting here laughing tbh because of the meeting I just left exactly all about this very thing, met with my lawyer and Holly today (Holly was on zoom). Boy did I get a clear picture, 6 years ago this very day was the day I found out I was finally moving to Maine. We know what happened, I made it even when with what would seem surmountable devastation occurred. Then pissants on the internet are gonna try and make me think less of what I did? I am not that weak sir.

Whether you like it or not I exceeded anything I thought possible after that terrible day, I grew, am still growing and that's what matters. I will continue to shout it from the rooftops, because I deserve to take pride in my accomplishments and others might see hope as a result. And I am going to take credit where credit is due, I wasnt born with this ability...it developed and when push came to shove, I nailed it, no matter what anyone else says. I have no doubt in my mind that that skill came from nurture, not nature.

I am really not sure why this bothers you so much, but dont worry about me sir...I am obviously not needing your advice, I take my advice from people who demonstrate they care about me, people who I care about people and who dont use gaslighting of others to pump their ego.

What has this to do with me saying that personal anecdotes are worth nothing to the gene researcher as to the nature/nurture question? How did my short answer came to be this textwall about you? And if you think you have evidence from your life that overrules gene research, well, you are free to believe it, but I wouldn’t recommend submitting an article for Nature & Science about it. You are free to try and surprise me tho.

No thanks, because thats not what I said. I dont need to convince anyone that it was my strength that pulled me through and that strength came from nurture, not nature

Again not sure why that bothers you

[vurt]

you don't get to decide what we can discuss

What we discuss is under NDA anyway

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

Again not sure why that bothers you

It doesn’t. I don’t care about your anecdotes at all. All this started with you quoting my on topic post within a long textwall about yourself (page 8 ). Then I answered on topic quoting the snippet where you said you have a different perspective to genes and told you that it would not mean dick to gene researchers. Then you wrote a new textwall about yourself (page 12) while I tried stay on topic as to the hard science perspective of the question. I am sorry, dude, but neither gene researchers nor me have any reason to take your personal story as evidence for anything. You are not the topic. You go your way, science goes its way. Happy travels.

[Hink]

Good, then I wont be getting diagnosed by the great PHD in PM's anymore

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

And I won’t have to delete your novel lenghty hallucinated defence speeches. All fair to me. So watch who your quoting as basis for your ongoing self biography, and it should be easy peasy.

[raiderpdog]

People thought I was good at Art when I was a kid.
There was a guy up the road and I was much better than him. Everybody said it.
The difference between me and the guy up the road was that I had some natural ability but he had the passion to turn his scribbles into a full time career as an Artist.
I have zero interest in Art these days. I'm atrocious at drawing. I have no aptitude for it at all now.

It was a passing phase for me. Kept me entertained for a little while and not much else.

The real 'talent' is in the perseverance, as far as I can make out.

definitely reminds me of my experience, when we were kids and early teens, my best friend was phenomenal at copying comic book art. Still to this day, I have no explanation for how exact they looked. Me and my other friend, would then ink his pencil work, because he hated inking. We would also make it look worse, truthfully. I was always an artistic kid and could draw well, but he was on another level, and my other friend was worse than either of us.

He dropped it completely during high school. I kept going and majored in Art at college and am a full time visual artist since. Whenever I bump into him, he tells me that I was the creative one, and that he could only copy stuff, but could never think of something original to draw on his own.

[pekbro]

It's all about interest if you ask me, if you have sufficient interest, you can doo eet!.
Even if you happen to suck at it...

[zerocrossing]

Especially when it concerns musicality, basic intelligence, mathematics, I'm convinced that some people just don't have it and some others just do.

I think it is evident you are correct.

Is it because they don’t have it, or they don’t want it? Is that want caused by physical aspects of the person, or by environment?

I was thinking of reading and writing and mathematics rather than musicality. I think they don't really care about having it.

That is a problem with our culture. It seems like we’ve created this weird system where art is commodified in a horrible way. If you look at most other vocations, there’s a fairly wide range of incomes that can be had and people normally start at the bottom and work their way up, or move to other vocations that suit them better. So you can have a public school teacher become a principal, and then maybe a college professor or college administrator. You can be a basic construction carpenter, or you can move up and specialize in custom cabinetry and make a lot more. With original music, it seems you can either do really well, or almost zero income. I don’t know a professional musician who actually makes all of their income from their art. Most teach and do other things to supplement it. I’m not talking about schlubs either. I’m talking about people who are as talented as any of the best.

I guess what I’m getting at is that we don’t have the same kind of attitude towards music as we do for something like math and science, or even sports. We feel it’s important to learn those things, even though we know that most will not become mathematicians and scientists, and definitely not play professional sports. What if music was treated like soccer? (Or as the rest of the world calls it, “football.”) That’s the world I want to live in.

[zerocrossing]

People thought I was good at Art when I was a kid.
There was a guy up the road and I was much better than him. Everybody said it.
The difference between me and the guy up the road was that I had some natural ability but he had the passion to turn his scribbles into a full time career as an Artist.
I have zero interest in Art these days. I'm atrocious at drawing. I have no aptitude for it at all now.

It was a passing phase for me. Kept me entertained for a little while and not much else.

The real 'talent' is in the perseverance, as far as I can make out.

definitely reminds me of my experience, when we were kids and early teens, my best friend was phenomenal at copying comic book art. Still to this day, I have no explanation for how exact they looked. Me and my other friend, would then ink his pencil work, because he hated inking. We would also make it look worse, truthfully. I was always an artistic kid and could draw well, but he was on another level, and my other friend was worse than either of us.

He dropped it completely during high school. I kept going and majored in Art at college and am a full time visual artist since. Whenever I bump into him, he tells me that I was the creative one, and that he could only copy stuff, but could never think of something original to draw on his own.

A somewhat similar thing happened to me, but your drawing talent is still there, just needs to be dusted off. I went to art school with the idea of doing 3D animation, but as soon as I graduated, the world said, “hey, want to make big bucks in web design?” I also had a degree in graphic design, so that world just sucked me in and from there I went into UI Design (games). In all honesty, I like those things, but my heart was never in it. My lesson is: don’t let a dollar tell you what to do. They problem was, my stomach was telling me to get some dollars because it was hungry.