VST2 to VST3 migration strategy.
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- KVRian
- 1272 posts since 13 May, 2015
Thinking it might be time to switch. Really don’t want to have both installed for space reasons but can’t bear the thought of abandoning old projects or having to print them all and leave them uneditable in the future. What has been/will be your approach?
Last edited by SHall1000 on Thu Feb 10, 2022 4:02 pm, edited 1 time in total.
- addled muppet weed
- 111299 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
little boats
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- KVRAF
- 35678 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
Unless your DAW doesn't support VST2 anymore (there is no such DAW at the moment), I wouldn't see much point in switching. For the time being, and for your old projects, you can just go on using what you're using.SHall1000 wrote: Thu Feb 10, 2022 2:34 pm Thinking it might be time to switch. Really don’t want to have both installed for space reasons but can’t bear the thought of abandoning old projects or having to print them all and leave them uneditable in the future. What has benn will be your approach?
- Banned
- 11467 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland
For "space reasons"? Usually VSTs themselves are very small, like between 5-50MB it's the sound libraries / samples / graphical assets (f**ing Arturia!SHall1000 wrote: Thu Feb 10, 2022 2:34 pmThinking it might be time to switch. Really don’t want to have both installed for space reasons but can’t bear the thought of abandoning old projects or having to print them all and leave them uneditable in the future. What has benn will be your approach?
Don't sweat it.
- addled muppet weed
- 111299 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
this, plus, it's not like years ago, space can be added for a very reasonable cost these days.antic604 wrote: Thu Feb 10, 2022 3:26 pmFor "space reasons"? Usually VSTs themselves are very small, like between 5-50MB it's the sound libraries / samples / graphical assets (f**ing Arturia!SHall1000 wrote: Thu Feb 10, 2022 2:34 pmThinking it might be time to switch. Really don’t want to have both installed for space reasons but can’t bear the thought of abandoning old projects or having to print them all and leave them uneditable in the future. What has benn will be your approach?) that come with them that can get huge, but they're shared between plugin formats.
Don't sweat it.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1272 posts since 13 May, 2015
I hadn’t twigged that one. It was Arturia I had in mind mainly when worrying about space.antic604 wrote: Thu Feb 10, 2022 3:26 pmFor "space reasons"? Usually VSTs themselves are very small, like between 5-50MB it's the sound libraries / samples / graphical assets (f**ing Arturia!SHall1000 wrote: Thu Feb 10, 2022 2:34 pmThinking it might be time to switch. Really don’t want to have both installed for space reasons but can’t bear the thought of abandoning old projects or having to print them all and leave them uneditable in the future. What has benn will be your approach?) that come with them that can get huge, but they're shared between plugin formats.
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- KVRAF
- 37262 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from Scottish Borders
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- KVRAF
- 35678 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
It's not the DLL's which are that big though. It's the support files. So, pretty much no difference whether you additonally install the VST2's or not.SHall1000 wrote: Thu Feb 10, 2022 4:01 pmI hadn’t twigged that one. It was Arturia I had in mind mainly when worrying about space.antic604 wrote: Thu Feb 10, 2022 3:26 pmFor "space reasons"? Usually VSTs themselves are very small, like between 5-50MB it's the sound libraries / samples / graphical assets (f**ing Arturia!SHall1000 wrote: Thu Feb 10, 2022 2:34 pmThinking it might be time to switch. Really don’t want to have both installed for space reasons but can’t bear the thought of abandoning old projects or having to print them all and leave them uneditable in the future. What has benn will be your approach?) that come with them that can get huge, but they're shared between plugin formats.
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- KVRist
- 470 posts since 2 May, 2015
I gradually started to migrate to VST3 about 3 years ago. Now it's allmost all VST3 with some exeptions (Soundtoys, Toneboosters V3 (SibalanceV3..V4 just isn't the same..), Black Rooster Audio (VPRE-73), Kush (Omega TWK), Plug and Mix, AIR, Meter Plugs(Perception), RothAir).
It keeps the plugin browser clean and tidy and I don't accidentally load the VST2 Version instead of the VST3 version any more.
A cool feature in Reaper since v5.985 which helped a lot with older Projects:
VST: support migration of supported VST2s to VST3 at project load (with user notification)
It keeps the plugin browser clean and tidy and I don't accidentally load the VST2 Version instead of the VST3 version any more.
A cool feature in Reaper since v5.985 which helped a lot with older Projects:
VST: support migration of supported VST2s to VST3 at project load (with user notification)
- KVRAF
- 1844 posts since 3 Jan, 2019 from Holland
I use around 80% vst3 nowadays. From some stuff i still keep the vst2 versions around, but mostly i only have the vst3 versions installed.
Whatever you do, always commit to audio. Disk space is not an issue nowadays anyways. In stead of spending 50 bucks on a new plugin, spend 50 bucks on an extra HD and you have a few GB to spare.
And it's so simple to save a new version of a project with everything being audio, so in the cases where you cannot go back (which happens a lot with older plugins anyway) you'll always have the audio.
Whatever you do, always commit to audio. Disk space is not an issue nowadays anyways. In stead of spending 50 bucks on a new plugin, spend 50 bucks on an extra HD and you have a few GB to spare.
And it's so simple to save a new version of a project with everything being audio, so in the cases where you cannot go back (which happens a lot with older plugins anyway) you'll always have the audio.
The loudness war is over, loudness has won
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- KVRAF
- 1863 posts since 11 Apr, 2008
Print multitrack audio of your older projects (+ eventually midi file). It's the best thing you can do to have 100% bullet-proof backup.
It will survive different OS, different CPU architectures, different plugin versions/architecture, different DAW versions and all possible combinations of those (that can also lead to unfixable crashes, that can forbid you from opening the project).
Also, no pain with the installation of old plugins when you're opening old projects with plugins that you're not using anymore. I wish I would start to do it earlier. For example, now I have to install around 100 old plugins to print multi-tracks of old projects (to give it to a studio that will do new mix and mastering). Not ideal if you like to keep your PC tidy
It will survive different OS, different CPU architectures, different plugin versions/architecture, different DAW versions and all possible combinations of those (that can also lead to unfixable crashes, that can forbid you from opening the project).
Also, no pain with the installation of old plugins when you're opening old projects with plugins that you're not using anymore. I wish I would start to do it earlier. For example, now I have to install around 100 old plugins to print multi-tracks of old projects (to give it to a studio that will do new mix and mastering). Not ideal if you like to keep your PC tidy
- KVRAF
- 26033 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
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- Boss Lovin' DR
- 14312 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from the grimness of yorkshire
In time honoured fashion, I'll start worrying about it the day before.
- KVRAF
- 2473 posts since 25 Sep, 2014 from Specific Northwest
I'll just accidentally throw away my old projects that weren't backed up.
Oh, wait... I already did that...
As previously discussed, keep both versions, 2 and 3. At most, the extras will take up about 1Gb, unless you're a hoarder, then 2-3Gb. If you're crunched for internal disk space, there's lots of other low-hanging fruit you can choose from before raiding your music stores.
Oh, wait... I already did that...
As previously discussed, keep both versions, 2 and 3. At most, the extras will take up about 1Gb, unless you're a hoarder, then 2-3Gb. If you're crunched for internal disk space, there's lots of other low-hanging fruit you can choose from before raiding your music stores.
I started on Logic 5 with a PowerBook G4 550Mhz. I now have a MacBook Air M1 and it's ~165x faster! So, why is my music not proportionally better? 