Is talent born or created with hard work and practice

[whyterabbyt]

WHO? ARE? YOU?

[BertKoor]

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Come on, stop it please. Newborn babies are born with only 6 abilities: shit, piss, eat, sleep and cry. And the abilitiy to take away your freedom.

Abilities are not talents. Babies are born with potential only, they still have to develop and learn.

Say this to your children: you can do and become everything you want. Except when you can't.

It's called 'talent' only when it takes them considerately less effort to reach a certain level of proficiency than peers.

Having said that:

(Radiohead - Anyone Can Play Guitar)

[Spring Goose]

That's in the context of the army which is life or death, and it's a very short life at that!

So are you saying that there are some things where you are born with the talent or not and other things where talent is a myth? A bit convenient, don't you think?

Your making assumption/s is convenient, to you "proving" your point.

I'm a believer in science. It isn't scientific. You can't make the assumption that musical talent is born based on the result of a study of whether leadership qualities are born.

I accept your anecdote as proof that leadership qualities are born but only in the context of the armed forces and of this short life expectancy.

[vurt]

we are all born with imagination, some just get it beat out of them early on.

[Hink]

Talent feeds the ego, passion feeds the heart and soul.

[harryupbabble]

special people are born? savants, etc. the rain man?
us humans ourselves are mutated talented kind of apes?
beings with opposable thumbs have talents like opening jars?
there are real x-men? mutants?

not everyone has photographic memory. ain't that a talent?
there are people who are just naturally freaky?
some of the people in the tv show x files might be real?

people who have perfect pitch are talented?
people who have superb taste buds are talented?
gene simmons might be a natural born cunnilinguist?

[Aloysius]

Darwin's ancestors were monkeys allegedly.

[HAL76]

In a worl full of weirdness talent is obstructive.

[BONES]

Your making assumption/s is convenient, to you "proving" your point.

I'm not making assumptions, I am reporting observations and I have given you now at least a dozen examples, none of which anyone has even tried to respond to. Until you can explain ALL of them away, you have no valid argument.

I'm a believer in science. It isn't scientific.

Observation is the basis of all science.

You can't make the assumption that musical talent is born based on the result of a study of whether leadership qualities are born.

And if that was the one and only argument I was making, you might have a point but it was around my 10th attempt to show you geniuses how completely stupid your point of view is. It is nothing more than wishful thinking, you have not provided a single piece of believable or useful evidence to support your position. Not one.
And BTW, there was no study undertaken, it was simply the observation of centuries of leadership in the most extreme circumstances imaginable. In fact, during our whole period of training, we were never given any leadership training because it wasn't necessary, as we were initially selected for our natural talent for leadership. I've also seen the results of people with no talent after they have attended leadership courses and, I gotta tell you, it doesn't work.

I accept your anecdote as proof that leadership qualities are born but only in the context of the armed forces and of this short life expectancy.

Another completely stupid thing to say. I joined the army in 1977 and, 45 years later, I'm not dead.

[Spring Goose]

You think 75 - 100 years isn't a short life expectancy? We must have a different perception of time then.

[Spring Goose]

Desperate times require desperate measures. It's exceptional circumstances.

It's an exceptional (life and death) situation. And when the person understands that then the person immediately evolves to respond to the situation, and whether the person is capable of evolving could depend on the nurture that the person has received since the moment of birth hence the unresolved nature/nurture debate of psychology.

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

At least people are modest as to using personal anecdotes as evidence insofar that I have not read any claims from posters that they in particular are born with a musical talent. A band mate at best. Now I wonder what the thread would look like if someone wrote: “Of course you are born with it. Just look at me, I am a natural born talent”. Well, if there are not anyone around taking that approach, it seems we all have to return to the hard work to make some music, right?

[vurt]

pfft working hard is for miners.

[vurt]

You think 75 - 100 years isn't a short life expectancy? We must have a different perception of time then.

well no shorter than someone who doesn't join the army if that's the numbers?

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

pfft working hard is for miners.

Yes, British miners have said so for millenniums. What to expect from natural born slaves? Lucky for you, you ain’t British, luv