If you had to use only two DAWs (third party VSTs allowed) what would they be?

[EnGee]

Well, wish you good health and try to stay away from crowded area. I do have two stents implanted after a mini heart attack (was just in the beginning, so I was lucky). I'm doing a keto diet (mostly!) But I need months if not a year to get rid of about 20 kilos
Can you take the vaccine normally? I took my third booster, so I feel safe relatively.

Back to DAWs! Bitwig ha a wonderful modulation environment. It has also a great midi sequencer and nice audio editing. The main things I complain about are things I use a lot and my workflow depends on them. The markers (cues) system is really pathetic! Live has a better system, while S1 and Cubase are wonderful in such things!

Both Bitwig and Live have no way to play midi files by choosing a destination instrument. I have thousands of drums patterns and I especially like to use some professional patterns written (played) by pro drummers. This is especially useful in Rock, Blues or Funk styles.

Also, in both Bitwig and Live I can't show my 3rd party drums mapping, so no mappings for addictive drums or Battery 4 for example.

Arrangement is far better in S1 and Cubase due to their Linear nature from the beginning. And of course, mixing in the end is much better with Cubase and S1.

Anyway, some those absences in Bitwig and Live actually makes me work harder in the rhythm part, because I need to write/play what I want and choose the kit carefully (samples). I still prefer Live's samples over Bitwig and the beats come sounding better to me. Also the eq and compression are better in Live (in general most effects are better).

Anyway, the more I work with the four DAWs, the more I can reach the same result (if I use 3rd party instruments). So, I find more similarity in the end than differences. The only DAW that I feel really different and it can't click with me, is FL Studio!

[AnX]

I thought this might be fun

You should get out more...

[sQeetz]

I would so much like to buy a Cubase Competitive Crossgrade license with my FL Studio license. I just happen to not have any receipt whatsoever for FL since I bought it at Version 2 around 2000...ish
What a shame

[dellboy]

I would so much like to buy a Cubase Competitive Crossgrade license with my FL Studio license. I just happen to not have any receipt whatsoever for FL since I bought it at Version 2 around 2000...ish
What a shame

Does FL Studio display your name and license somewhere so that you take a screen-grab?

I bought a Cubase Pro cross-grade from Andertons using just a screen-grab of my Studio One license.

They sent it next day.I think Steinberg will accept that as well, although they may take a while to process it.

[xbitz]

Cubase and Live would be my best choices. In fact I would be fine with either Cubase or S1 and either Live or Bitwig

...Studio One is the most "straight to the point" DAW IMO! It has elegant design and workflow...

this is why I've mentioned BCPatchwork it can add the missing elegant workflow to Cubase too

just quickly, MIDI stream will go through Zenith in Patchwork which adds the CC signals to it and reroutes the signal to one of its inner ports, Cubase can control the BCPatchwork knobs which control Zenith which ... and done ...


and voilá let's bring back the missing fun factor to Cubase

[sQeetz]

I would so much like to buy a Cubase Competitive Crossgrade license with my FL Studio license. I just happen to not have any receipt whatsoever for FL since I bought it at Version 2 around 2000...ish
What a shame

Does FL Studio display your name and license somewhere so that you take a screen-grab?

I bought a Cubase Pro cross-grade from Andertons using just a screen-grab of my Studio One license.

They sent it next day.I think Steinberg will accept that as well, although they may take a while to process it.

Yes it does. Thanks Will try it next month. I'm not using FL anymore, might as well put that license to use.

[chk071]

What if...

... you had to participate in polls like this?

Might make a poll about that.

[FapFilter]

Yes, next poll should be: “if you only had to use all DAWs and every single plugin in existence, which would they be?“

regarding this poll: that's easy for me, as the answer is Reaper

No need for a second one.
I actually demoed Bitwig yesterday for the first time and it's not for me.
Grant you, i'm an old fart and slow learner, but still.
Reaper plus third party plugins, including those that work around it's shortcomings, are everything i'd ever need (and then some)

[EnGee]

Cubase and Live would be my best choices. In fact I would be fine with either Cubase or S1 and either Live or Bitwig

...Studio One is the most "straight to the point" DAW IMO! It has elegant design and workflow...

this is why I've mentioned BCPatchwork it can add the missing elegant workflow to Cubase too

just quickly, MIDI stream will go through Zenith in Patchwork which adds the CC signals to it and reroutes the signal to one of its inner ports, Cubase can control the BCPatchwork knobs which control Zenith which ... and done ...


and voilá let's bring back the missing fun factor to Cubase

This is way too complicated to achieve what exactly?! I don't need such a way to map a knob! I already have 8 knobs mapped to quick controls and those I can learn to any mappable parameter in my instrument! So, why do I need to go round and round to make the same?!

[xbitz]

^^^ AFAIK quick controls can't be automated directly like the

ones just with enabling automation writing (pressing 'W') + starting Cubase + moving the related quick control + deleting the created but non-necessary automation points, assigning any knob to remote controlling also PITA

"This is way too complicated" why would be complicated has to be done only once and can be saved as the default preset of BCPatchwork

Automation
Obviously, the main application of Quick Controls is for the automation of key parameters, and the inclusion of the Read and Write automation buttons in the Inspector's Quick Control panel makes this very easy. Having engaged the 'W' (write) button during playback, any controller movements are then recorded — and engaging the 'R' button will then reproduce those parameter changes on subsequent playback. If you want to see and manually edit any of the automation data created, right‑clicking on the track and selecting the Show All Used Automation option will open up each parameter in a separate lane, which is very neat. One final point is that Quick Controls work for a particular track whenever that track is selected in the Track List: they don't require the Quick Control panel to be open in the Inspector.

https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques ... ntrols#top

forget it it's a bad joke everything but not elegant, if it would be supported by all the VSTs then yepp but otherwise

[EnGee]

^^^ AFAIK quick controls can't be automated directly like the

ones just with enabling automation writing (pressing 'W') + starting Cubase + moving the related quick control + deleting the created but non-necessary automation points, assigning any knob to remote controlling also PITA

"This is way too complicated" why would be complicated has to be done only once and can be saved as the default preset of BCPatchwork

Automation
Obviously, the main application of Quick Controls is for the automation of key parameters, and the inclusion of the Read and Write automation buttons in the Inspector's Quick Control panel makes this very easy. Having engaged the 'W' (write) button during playback, any controller movements are then recorded — and engaging the 'R' button will then reproduce those parameter changes on subsequent playback. If you want to see and manually edit any of the automation data created, right‑clicking on the track and selecting the Show All Used Automation option will open up each parameter in a separate lane, which is very neat. One final point is that Quick Controls work for a particular track whenever that track is selected in the Track List: they don't require the Quick Control panel to be open in the Inspector.

https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques ... ntrols#top

forget it it's a bad joke everything but not elegant, if it would be supported by all the VSTs then yepp but otherwise

Well, if it suits you and makes things better to you, why not! But for me, I have this setup with my midi controller knobs and of course I can choose whatever parameter i want to control/automate:

[xbitz]

^^^ in this case I would have to change my Faderport8 to MIDI-CC mode, write enable automation, move the fader zzZZzz... but got it your method also is an option just not with Faderport

[dlandis]

I thought this might be fun

You should get out more...

If I did "get out more", I'd probably be dead by now. I am a heart transplant recipient which means (besides the fact that I wake up every morning knowing that the heart beating in my chest is someone else's) that I have an immuno-compromised system (meds that produce this effect are the only way tranplant recipients keep their received hearts, lungs, livers, etc. safely in their bodies); the doctors have repeatedly warned that while COVID is serious for everyone else, for me and others like me, it is a death sentence, period. I have literally been out only about 20 times since March 15, 2020, usually only to areas where I do not have to worry about meeting anyone else. I am always masked when out in public and always social distance. My wife does the same. Yet, I am blessed in that I am among the living; I should not have survived the heart attack or coma that brought me to this place and the manner in which it became necessary for me to receive the transplant is particularly painful as it includes personal betrayals of trust on the friendship and familial levels.

FWIW.

But if you simply do not enjoy the poll and/or discussion (forgive me if I'm misreading your intent with your remark), do not comment. Obviously, based on the numbers partaking in the poll there are some at least that disagree with you.

Thank you for your understanding.

[dlandis]

Yes, next poll should be: “if you only had to use all DAWs and every single plugin in existence, which would they be?“

regarding this poll: that's easy for me, as the answer is Reaper

No need for a second one.
I actually demoed Bitwig yesterday for the first time and it's not for me.
Grant you, i'm an old fart and slow learner, but still.
Reaper plus third party plugins, including those that work around it's shortcomings, are everything i'd ever need (and then some)

Okay, you do that poll. Good luck!

And you're right, of course; many do not have a "need" for a second DAW. I still think it's a great thing in that we have _any_ DAWs. Musicians are buried now under a wealth of wonderful tools that didn't even exist in any regard 50-60 years ago and cost a fraction of the hardware they replace. Recording for fun or profit was way out of financial reach for most musicians not that long ago and now for a relative pittance, anyone can have a studio capable of challenging the sound quality (if not the musical quality as that's still thoroughly up to the human behind the machine) of professional studios.

So, if you're happy with just running Reaper, that's wonderful and, very seriously, more power to you. I'm sure that at one level many of us envy you. I think I could exist with one DAW, but Bitwig opens up ideas to try that I might not consider (as I certainly do understand that it isn't for everyone). Some of this might be because of my preferred genres: mostly, I'm a jazz musician who has had a ton of "classical" (read: "art music") theory and composition classes at the undergrad and graduate level and I've always enjoyed them. Integrating them has been a challenge, but rewarding. Interestingly, Bitwig opens possibilities in that conceptual direction for me.

Cheers!

[AnX]

I thought this might be fun

You should get out more...

If I did "get out more", I'd probably be dead by now. I am a heart transplant recipient which means (besides the fact that I wake up every morning knowing that the heart beating in my chest is someone else's) that I have an immuno-compromised system (meds that produce this effect are the only way tranplant recipients keep their received hearts, lungs, livers, etc. safely in their bodies); the doctors have repeatedly warned that while COVID is serious for everyone else, for me and others like me, it is a death sentence, period. I have literally been out only about 20 times since March 15, 2020, usually only to areas where I do not have to worry about meeting anyone else. I am always masked when out in public and always social distance. My wife does the same. Yet, I am blessed in that I am among the living; I should not have survived the heart attack or coma that brought me to this place and the manner in which it became necessary for me to receive the transplant is particularly painful as it includes personal betrayals of trust on the friendship and familial levels.

FWIW.

But if you simply do not enjoy the poll and/or discussion (forgive me if I'm misreading your intent with your remark), do not comment. Obviously, based on the numbers partaking in the poll there are some at least that disagree with you.

Thank you for your understanding.

Yeah, I didn't ask for for your life story, I was just commenting on your dubious definition of 'fun'