It's coming!

[jens]

for me: object-orientation Razz

What does this mean?

you're not working strictly on a track basis but rather on a object basis... as soon as you cut a clip you have a new object.

Each object can have unique settings - with Tracktion especially audio-objects are incredibly powerful (apart from the time stretching-algorithms which are shite):

You can pan each object,change its gain, its speed, its pitch, of course apply fades and you can attach effect-plugins to it.

With audio-material you can do incredible things incredibly fast.

Tracks are flexible objects as well b.t.w. - they can contain both midi and audio at the same time....



Try this with Cubase or Sonar

[rpc9943]

OK, gonna be a bit of a curmodgeon here. I'm new to the party, admittedly, and I see real potential for this host. But I don't see any indication that T2 is actually in development. I did a search here. I mean, the alternative to thinking that the T1 giveaway means T2 is around the corner is that the T1 giveaway means that T2 ain't gonna happen.

Give me a reason to believe...

Actually T2 i bet is not in development, I bet it's freaking finished.

RonC

[Reqs]

You can pan each object,change its gain, its speed, its pitch, of course apply fades and you can attach effect-plugins to it.

Still playing devil's advocate here. I can do all the above in Live easily, with the exception of per-object effects. And the time stretching algorithms aren't shite. I know, I know, Live is $400 and T1 is free...

[jtxx000]

Well I don't know much about live but what about rack filters? And also everything is quick and intuitive in T, it gets the job done fast without going through countless menus.

[jens]

You can pan each object,change its gain, its speed, its pitch, of course apply fades and you can attach effect-plugins to it.

Still playing devil's advocate here. I can do all the above in Live easily, with the exception of per-object effects. And the time stretching algorithms aren't shite. I know, I know, Live is $400 and T1 is free...

nope, you can't - you can just cut an object and then have another one...

[headquest]

You can pan each object,change its gain, its speed, its pitch, of course apply fades and you can attach effect-plugins to it.

Still playing devil's advocate here. I can do all the above in Live easily, with the exception of per-object effects. And the time stretching algorithms aren't shite. I know, I know, Live is $400 and T1 is free...

nope, you can't - you can just cut an object and then have another one...

You can do all this in Live. Including effects (set the wet/dry automation per clip).

I think that Tracktion and Live have been big "up-and-coming" software for a while now, and Live 4 has currently stolen the show big time.

But for me a big draw with Tracktion is the ease with which you can freeze tracks. This is crucial on my laptop.

Tracktion 2 will need to seriously raise the stakes now though (and I believe that it truly will )

[headquest]

Still playing devil's advocate here. I can do all the above in Live easily, with the exception of per-object effects. And the time stretching algorithms aren't shite. I know, I know, Live is $400 and T1 is free...

You can do all this in Live. Including effects (set the wet/dry automation per clip).

Doh, what am I like?

You can automate EVERY aspect of any effect on a per-clip basis in Live 4.

Double-click a clip, open the "envelopes" tab and where it says mixer pull down the list of other things. Each effect is listed and in the next space each parameter.

Awesome stuff.

[jens]

You can pan each object,change its gain, its speed, its pitch, of course apply fades and you can attach effect-plugins to it.

Still playing devil's advocate here. I can do all the above in Live easily, with the exception of per-object effects. And the time stretching algorithms aren't shite. I know, I know, Live is $400 and T1 is free...

nope, you can't - you can just cut an object and then have another one...

You can do all this in Live. Including effects (set the wet/dry automation per clip).

oh come on - that's simply not the same thing - you can automate plugins with just about every
sequencer and if you say that's the same as per-clip plugins it only proves that you haven't understood the principle


edit: per-clip automation is of course a nice thing as well and more than the usual sequencer is capable of

[headquest]

oh come on - that's simply not the same thing - you can automate plugins with just about every
sequencer and if you say that's the same as per-clip plugins it only proves that you haven't understood the principle

Yes, possibly I'm not understanding your point. Possibly you're not understanding mine? Sometimes I don't understand myself


I thought you meant the ability to add effects/automation to individual clips, as opposed to whole tracks...

Anyway, In Live you can automate effects on a track basis in the Arrangement view. It works identically to Tracktion in this instance.

But you can ALSO add effects/automation to individual clips in the Session view. This is like adding an effect to a clip in Tracktion but possibly better imho. Partly because it is so easy to reuse the clip with all its automation in place.

I'm very pleased with the automation in both Tracktion in Live, although I would like to see curves/splines (as in Audition and Sonar) - these deffinitely sound more natural to me.