Logic 5.5.1 PC DEMO needed

[citizenchunk]

In case you want beta testers; there is a yahoo group : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/logic-win/

All of them are window users!

thanks for the link! as i said, i might have a fix to upload soon--and without resorting to "plan B".

== chunk

[fake]

Not to pour oil on the fire but...

Emagic are no longer in existence and no longer supply or support Logic for the pc. Apple have also abandoned it in favour of the mac.
So it is in fact abandonware and can be picked up cheaply? seconhand £180< for 5.1
Emagic and Apple lose nothing now as this is now no longer for sale.

Given this state of affairs and from reading previous threads, I though it was the general consensus that using a cracked version in this instance is ok.

Can someone please help clear this up.

fake

[TechNoiZ]

abandonware ????

like my previous-to-current version of Cameleon 5000 (pre 1.5), or my older copies of Albino, or Z3ta+, or Arturia's softsynths (recently updated u know ) or even the original impOSCAR ....

... I see, you mean old, superceded software ....

... I can give it away, sell it or copy it as I see fit

... cos its ...

.... A B A N D O N W A R E ....


Now, I never knew that ...

[jones-y]

Not to pour oil on the fire but...

...gas would work better!

Given this state of affairs and from reading previous threads, I though it was the general consensus that using a cracked version in this instance is ok.

Can someone please help clear this up.

fake

Stealing a discontinued or no-longer-maintained product is still stealing.

[Sascha Franck]

The difference between Logic and some of the mentioned older plugins is: You can usually get newer versions of those plugins, providing the same functionality.
At least for all the synths TechNoiZ mentioned that is the case.

You can't however get newer versions of Logic, providing the same functionality. Not even in case you buy a Mac (which would allready be completely beyond the point, as the original poster asked for a Windows version). Even the latest Mac version won't load your VSTis, no matter if you got them for Mac, even no matter if you got AU equivalents.

So, this comparison is completely moot.

Apart from that, these days it's VERY tough to find a second hand licence for LAW for a reasonable price, just search eBay to be confirmed.
Why? Because MANY Mac users seem to have taken the chance of buying cheap dongles from Windows users - the update price was (and still is) very tempting.

OK, before resuming, I NEED to make clear that I DON'T recommend using warez and whatsoever, but:
Let's assume there's just no used Logic/Win license around on eBay and such, HOW in the world should a developer, actually caring about left over LAW users get his/her copy?
Just tell me how!
In case anybody is able to answer that question I'm open for further moral arguments.

FWIW: I've been a tester for Emagic's Windows products for quite some time, therefor I know some of the folks there personally and all - and I allready asked them if there were ANY chances to update the local uni's LAW Education dongles to LAW Platinum, because I wanted to keep teaching with Logic partially (we use it on our studio Macs anyways, and 5.5.1 would still be fine to get introduced). No way this would've been possible. Even Emagic doesn't have any dongles suitable for Windows anymore.

The older batch of LogicPro dongles would still be able to be used with a Windows machine (even if that would allready be a pricey solution...), but Emagic changed their authorisation schemes, so the dongles have been changed as well (i.e. they don't show individual registrations for instruments anymore).

So there - in a worst case scenario, you just can't get ahold of LAW anymore, no matter what you're doing.
And, especially in case a programmer would like to try something in LAW - why should he spend some money on it at all? Earlier, Emagic was quite generous about giving away NFRs to coders. Not possible in this case anymore.
They never had a demo either (which is pretty lame, btw).

So, while I usually agree that using cracks is basically the same as stealing - in this particular case: Who are you stealing from? Emagic? Nonsense - I mean, it's a LAW version that is wanted, they don't even have it anymore.
Bottomline: You just CAN'T steal something that doesn't even exist!

[Beardedone]

That is amazing!

Sascha. Are you saying warez versions of Logic 5.5.1 do not exist?

I would check one of the P2P programs but I do not use them.

[Sascha Franck]

Sascha. Are you saying warez versions of Logic 5.5.1 do not exist?

No way I'm saying such a thing, it defenitely exists. All I was saying there's no existing legal version anymore that you could get ahold of (should you ever wanted, like our fellow developer).

[jones-y]

Sascha,

While I completely understand your argument, acquiring a warez'ed version of LAW is still stealing. Your argument is a reasonable justification for doing that, but still, its stealing.

The moral point of your argument does, however, seem akin to a poor person stealing medicine.

And FWIW, many Emagic redistributor shops were stuck with their inventory of LP6 when Apple pulled the rug. So there are still some copies of that out there.

Bottom line? Its a matter of what your conscience will allow you to deal with.

[Sascha Franck]

While I completely understand your argument, acquiring a warez'ed version of LAW is still stealing. Your argument is a reasonable justification for doing that, but still, its stealing.

Whom are you stealing from then?

The moral point of your argument does, however, seem akin to a poor person stealing medicine.

In that case it's even worse (well, OK, there's not much worse than poor persons having to steal medicine, but you know what I mean...), it's more like some scientist had to steal development tools to cure some disease (which he know he could cure).

And FWIW, many Emagic redistributor shops were stuck with their inventory of LP6 when Apple pulled the rug. So there are still some copies of that out there.

Don't know of any over here (well, there's not much shops either), they all seem to have the new dongled packs allready.

Bottom line? Its a matter of what your conscience will allow you to deal with.

Of course.

[TechNoiZ]

I don't see why emagic don't just release a freely downloadable version of the software .....

[Sascha Franck]

I don't see why emagic don't just release a freely downloadable version of the software .....

That'd be just along the Mackie lines of releasing Tracktion 1 for free.
Might be a clever idea, but I think there's too much in Logic that would make people switch from other hosts (namely the plugins).
After all, Tracktion is almost too good to be given away for free, with Logic it'd be quite another story again, it's 10x at expensive (and, say, at least 5x as good, even if it was for the plugins alone).
Also, the benefits of such a move are questionable. How many people would actually use it and then buy a Mac? I mean, that's all Apple wants.

[Beardedone]

No way I'm saying such a thing, it defenitely exists. All I was saying there's no existing legal version anymore that you could get ahold of (should you ever wanted, like our fellow developer).

Just checking. I know nothing at all about this warez nonsense.

[jones-y]

Whom are you stealing from then?

Apple. They still make a product based on the code contained in LAW. You're stealing code written by Gerhard, et.al.

And FWIW, many Emagic redistributor shops were stuck with their inventory of LP6 when Apple pulled the rug. So there are still some copies of that out there.

Don't know of any over here (well, there's not much shops either), they all seem to have the new dongled packs allready.

From what I understand, Apple were not taking returns of Logic 6 stock from former Emagic distributors when they released Logic 7. So if they had any, they're forced to sell them or swallow them. I saw a copy of L6 for sale at a local music store (outside Washington DC, FYI) a few weeks ago.

[Sascha Franck]

Apple. They still make a product based on the code contained in LAW. You're stealing code written by Gerhard, et.al.

OK, you're right on that. But when using cracks, you're not exactly stealing code but licenses. Which they wouldn't sell you anymore anyways. But I do see your point.

From what I understand, Apple were not taking returns of Logic 6 stock from former Emagic distributors when they released Logic 7. So if they had any, they're forced to sell them or swallow them. I saw a copy of L6 for sale at a local music store (outside Washington DC, FYI) a few weeks ago.

As said before, most of the LogicPro 6 packages were shipping with the updated dongles allready - so no Windows version would be running with them (which I confirmed by myself).

Apart from that and merely unrelated: Not taking returns for packages is a pretty lame thing for a software company though, don't you think? They could've charged for the (now wasted) packaging and manuals, but that should be all about it. Shops are making VERY low profit on music software sales as they have to compete with online prices, usually even factory sales.

[original flipper]

HI

If Emagic (or whoever) released a FREE version of Logic PC and I used a warez version would I still be breaking the law .

Flipper.