Any soft synths like Korg Karma out there?

[TiUser]

YO URS, I'M REALLY HAPPY FOR YOU, AND IMMA LET YOU FINISH, BUT A U-HE GROOVEBOX WOULD BE THE GREATEST PLUG IN OF ALL TIME - OF ALL TIME!

Seriously though, built in drum synth (maybe the ability to load samples too?) plus a melodic sequencer (maybe with a switchable option to either load samples/midi out/a simple VA based on filterscape VA or whatever... like 1 osc with unison and morphing from saw to square, etc...)

Try to read the website/article. It's not about a "melodic sequencer". Even just the drum aspect of it will be much different to a groovebox. I am pretty sure Urs will not do something that has already been done a hundred times before. I think it will be even different to Jamstix which claims to use some KI aspects.

[moocha]

While we're at it (presenting Karmaesque products), and for those who can read German, we (mostly me, with some help of some friends) have built a MIDI Sequencer that morphed phrases, rhythms, licks, melodies and stuff between 1996 and 1999:

http://www.u-he.com/sim/index.html

The one and only application we ever had was a music game we did for Sony which was called "Phondue", and which composed perfectly nice pop music in realtime with some user interaction (5 semantic faders for "Style", "Density", "Variation", "Sound" and uhm, "Tempo"). On top of that it analysed fader movements such as "cautious", "wild", "held back", "full on". It was an attraction at the Sony Music Box theme park in Berlin which unfortunately doesn't exist anymore.

For those who can't read German, the "sequencer" has various models of "musical contexts", e.g. it has a rhythmical context, it has a harmonic context and it has a context for timbre ("natural", "electronic"). These contexts would interact with each other and produce MIDI streams for different "roles" such as bass, drums, harmonies and leads. One could set up unlimited numbers of parameters and rules for each context, e.g. one would feed/edit example material that then would be analysed & mangled.

Was quite some fun but it was also mostly a toy. I still have my old G4 with MacOS 8.6 to run it, but I don't have the XG box that did the sound. If I wasn't so caught up in synth development I would make this part of a u-he host.

Urs

Uhe kicks ass!
I just got a Karma and tried to buy karma MW for $50 (Ebay) but he didn't take postal money orders. It's $150 at the "lab' and too much for me. Anyone know of a source that takes money orders at a decent price? The Ebay guys offerings looked legit.

[Prevalence]

Has anyone tried these out?

http://www.producerloops.com/Korg-Karma ... ndset.html

Might be worth a bash if they're any good

Prev.

(please ignore if already mentioned and I missed it!)

[MitchK1989]

YO URS, I'M REALLY HAPPY FOR YOU, AND IMMA LET YOU FINISH, BUT A U-HE GROOVEBOX WOULD BE THE GREATEST PLUG IN OF ALL TIME - OF ALL TIME!

Seriously though, built in drum synth (maybe the ability to load samples too?) plus a melodic sequencer (maybe with a switchable option to either load samples/midi out/a simple VA based on filterscape VA or whatever... like 1 osc with unison and morphing from saw to square, etc...)

Try to read the website/article. It's not about a "melodic sequencer". Even just the drum aspect of it will be much different to a groovebox. I am pretty sure Urs will not do something that has already been done a hundred times before. I think it will be even different to Jamstix which claims to use some KI aspects.

I wasn't talking about an update of the software on that webpage, I was referring to the second part of URS's post, where he said he might take some of that tech and build in into a separate drum machine type product.

[Urs]

YO URS, I'M REALLY HAPPY FOR YOU, AND IMMA LET YOU FINISH, BUT A U-HE GROOVEBOX WOULD BE THE GREATEST PLUG IN OF ALL TIME - OF ALL TIME!

Seriously though, built in drum synth (maybe the ability to load samples too?) plus a melodic sequencer (maybe with a switchable option to either load samples/midi out/a simple VA based on filterscape VA or whatever... like 1 osc with unison and morphing from saw to square, etc...)

Try to read the website/article. It's not about a "melodic sequencer". Even just the drum aspect of it will be much different to a groovebox. I am pretty sure Urs will not do something that has already been done a hundred times before. I think it will be even different to Jamstix which claims to use some KI aspects.

I wasn't talking about an update of the software on that webpage, I was referring to the second part of URS's post, where he said he might take some of that tech and build in into a separate drum machine type product.

Hehe, I wasn't referring to the software on that webpage either. The Sony project was just a very small glimpse of what the real deal could be.

In that context I find it sad as well to just do a drum thing rather than something big. (I might need to check out Jamstix though, maybe it already does what I'm after...)

If I could I would hire some motivated guy and let him work on the original concept for a few years. I started another attempt with some friends two years ago, and although we all saw the potential, no-one can simply dedicate 10-20 man years to make a pro app out of it, even if it's merely a game than a serious composition tool. It is however relatively simple and efficient to derive just a "drum agent" (agent as in AI-speak).

Urs

[Brian S]

I would love to see a software Karma with soundset because I have to travel light. Used to have a Karma and enourmous gear. Now by necessity, my setup is very compact, lightweight, and quite functional.

Rather than try to use it live, I would be happy to arrange and record Karma songs.

It's on my wish list. Perhaps someday...

[Bibibeatgrid]

I think Synfire Pro can be compared to Karma engine, but it's very expensive...

see: http://www.cognitone.com

cheers

[BigJRillah]

It does seem like there is still a space for an arpeggiator/step sequence generator like the Karma. It would be really cool to see Karma, in vst format, implemented with the launchpad pro. Has anyone found anything software that does this ? This was easily one of the coolest features on the korg kronos, but I would hate to be limited to that system and also the cost is too high for a couple of features when I have kontakt and other libraries for that sort of thing.

[Tj Shredder]

Wow 11 years necro… Karma itself is even much older. I just know that the prototype was done in Max… Must have been in the last millennium…
I bet Stephen Kay, the developer, is not allowed to share the max patches…
Though he filed a bunch of patents, that way you can reconstruct it, but must not sell/share it unless you find an agreement about it…
https://www.karma-lab.com/company/legal.html

[felis]

Anyone remember the Steinberg Interactive Phrase Synthesizer?

https://dt7v1i9vyp3mf.cloudfront.net/st ... ycJgMj.jpg

https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques ... ynthesizer

[Dencheg]

Wow 11 years necro… Karma itself is even much older. I just know that the prototype was done in Max… Must have been in the last millennium…
I bet Stephen Kay, the developer, is not allowed to share the max patches…
Though he filed a bunch of patents, that way you can reconstruct it, but must not sell/share it unless you find an agreement about it…
https://www.karma-lab.com/company/legal.html

Not to hijack the thread... Please explain me, what's wrong with posting in the most relevant thread for a poster, even if it's been inactive for a decade?
If the approach of reusing the most relevant thread is correct, why does that activity have such negative connotation?
I'm just asking out of honest curiosity. Should they have made another thread?

[Tj Shredder]

Please explain me, what's wrong with posting in the most relevant thread for a poster, even if it's been inactive for a decade?
If the approach of reusing the most relevant thread is correct, why does that activity have such negative connotation?
I'm just asking out of honest curiosity. Should they have made another thread?

Sorry if it came through as negative, I was more astonished and actually added some useful information, which might be helpful…

[BigJRillah]

Would be great if this was an add on to max, I would probably buy an Ableton license just for that. I have never heard of the Steinberg phrase generator, but it seems like they were onto something cool. I did enjoy the Karma system on the Korg Kronos and think its a no brainer to add this type of function to the DAW enviroment, and not be locked into Kronos software. The problem with Korg and other similar companies is that they do not make updating the software their priority, and in time you are stuck with an outdated device. Perhaps this year they will release it as an app or an as a part of their Kollection.

P.S. I just realized that the software is licensed to the Motif since, I had thought it was a Korg exclusive. That's cool there is hope yet id imagine

[Dencheg]

Please explain me, what's wrong with posting in the most relevant thread for a poster, even if it's been inactive for a decade?
If the approach of reusing the most relevant thread is correct, why does that activity have such negative connotation?
I'm just asking out of honest curiosity. Should they have made another thread?

Sorry if it came through as negative, I was more astonished and actually added some useful information, which might be helpful…

I didn't mean to come accross as a "justice protector" or something, just finally wanted to ask the question I've had in the backlog for some time
As an engineer (if a computer guy can call themselves like that) I think reusing existing thread is much more logical. I'm open for reasonable reasoning though.

But let's get back to Karma. Actually the last time I've heard of it was many years ago, when I was eyeing some Yamaha Motif XS stations, and it was kind of cool advantage - to have logical bits from Korg inside of Yamaha stations.
I didn't get into Motifs though.