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When you're a working composer, it is far from uncommon to rework shelved ideas from years and years ago. You end up with tons of cues that don't get used so you can later reuse them on another project, and so on. It's a real thing that happens. All the time!

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EvilDragon wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:06 am When you're a working composer, it is far from uncommon to rework shelved ideas from years and years ago. You end up with tons of cues that don't get used so you can later reuse them on another project, and so on. It's a real thing that happens. All the time!
likely, but the musical idea is still there anyway.
if i'm to open something from 10 years ago i'll definitely rework it anyway.
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You perhaps, sure, but not necessarily everyone. Plus you gotta have the reference of how it sounded originally.

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Or the key part of it, the hook, whatever, happens to be done by one of the instruments that no longer works on your mac.

And I love my macs :), but I am very aware and honest about that limitation on it, and if for no other reason I will keep a pc as well for this purpose...

Anyway I do hope those DAW's that don't currently do vst2 to vst3 migration implement this.

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EvilDragon wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:06 am When you're a working composer, it is far from uncommon to rework shelved ideas from years and years ago. You end up with tons of cues that don't get used so you can later reuse them on another project, and so on. It's a real thing that happens. All the time!
i personally don't work that way (altho i sometimes use samples from my own past work), but... whatever works (i mean that in every way) :tu:
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EvilDragon wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 11:36 am You perhaps, sure, but not necessarily everyone. Plus you gotta have the reference of how it sounded originally.
That's why you should export everything you ever work on to an audio file.
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fisherKing wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 2:14 am i don't want to be running projects from 2022 in 2032, i want to have moved forward, along with the tech. hard (for me) to understand the point of reopening 10-year old material, when there's new music to be made...
.. if you aren't in the actual music industry (that is, making a living) you might not "get it".

But believe me when I say this: It's not entirely uncommon for artists or record labels to want to open up old projects and create remixes, 10 year, 15 year or even 25 year anniversary releases with "new" mastering and all the hooplaa that comes with it.

This has always been the case. It'll only get more difficult due to being in the digital world now. What I've been doing is to put old computer setups into storage "as is", so that they could potentially just be plugged in and "work" out of the box. Naturally it's not that simple as hardware does degrade even when just sitting in storage, but at least I have a chance of back tracing old projects from the mid 90's or later.
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bmanic wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 7:51 pm
fisherKing wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 2:14 am i don't want to be running projects from 2022 in 2032, i want to have moved forward, along with the tech. hard (for me) to understand the point of reopening 10-year old material, when there's new music to be made...
.. if you aren't in the actual music industry (that is, making a living) you might not "get it".

But believe me when I say this: It's not entirely uncommon for artists or record labels to want to open up old projects and create remixes, 10 year, 15 year or even 25 year anniversary releases with "new" mastering and all the hooplaa that comes with it.

This has always been the case. It'll only get more difficult due to being in the digital world now. What I've been doing is to put old computer setups into storage "as is", so that they could potentially just be plugged in and "work" out of the box. Naturally it's not that simple as hardware does degrade even when just sitting in storage, but at least I have a chance of back tracing old projects from the mid 90's or later.
there is more than one way to approach one's work, and, as someone who has always made his living making music... i have my own way. thanks for your observations, but no need to be condescending: "if you aren't in the actual music industry (that is, making a living) you might not "get it".

unless, of course, all the 'pros' got together and put you in charge... :roll:
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Well, just thought that may have been the case as YOU very clearly put it out there that "you don't get it". :)


.. so I explained why backwards compatibility may actually be important to some people (and to be clear, not just bouncing everything down to audio, which is obviously the most common way of doing things).
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EvilDragon wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 6:03 pm VST3 should definitely be there, hmmm...
Ok I solved it. The .vst3 was indeeed installed but for some reason Reaper had failed to validate it.. so I just opened the reaper plugin .ini text file and removed it from there and rescanned. Now it shows up and opens just fine.

My bad. It's there and works. :party:
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bmanic wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:00 pm Well, just thought that may have been the case as YOU very clearly put it out there that "you don't get it". :)


.. so I explained why backwards compatibility may actually be important to some people (and to be clear, not just bouncing everything down to audio, which is obviously the most common way of doing things).
thank you for explaining how things work. am happy with my own workflow, and am fine 'not getting' everything, and with leaving the previous decades in the past. whatever works :tu:
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fisherKing wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:12 pm
bmanic wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:00 pm Well, just thought that may have been the case as YOU very clearly put it out there that "you don't get it". :)


.. so I explained why backwards compatibility may actually be important to some people (and to be clear, not just bouncing everything down to audio, which is obviously the most common way of doing things).
thank you for explaining how things work. am happy with my own workflow, and am fine 'not getting' everything, and with leaving the previous decades in the past. whatever works :tu:
Absolutely! Hope you never have to deal with digging up old projects though. It's a real pain in the ass! :)
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bmanic wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:18 pm
fisherKing wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:12 pm
bmanic wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:00 pm Well, just thought that may have been the case as YOU very clearly put it out there that "you don't get it". :)


.. so I explained why backwards compatibility may actually be important to some people (and to be clear, not just bouncing everything down to audio, which is obviously the most common way of doing things).
thank you for explaining how things work. am happy with my own workflow, and am fine 'not getting' everything, and with leaving the previous decades in the past. whatever works :tu:
Absolutely! Hope you never have to deal with digging up old projects though. It's a real pain in the ass! :)
i have mixes of old projects, if i need a reference. and if i open an old project and no longer have some synth plugins, i find new sounds, and endeavor to make things better. and life goes on...
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fisherKing wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:22 pm i have mixes of old projects, if i need a reference. and if i open an old project and no longer have some synth plugins, i find new sounds, and endeavor to make things better. and life goes on...
Sure, that strategy works fine if you are the sole owner of the copyright, composition, production etc.

.. but that's not how it works with major record labels or television networks (for instance if you are the composer for some local TV series that gets renewed 10 years later and they want to make a surround mix). :)

As I tried to allude to earlier, I understand your case as it seems a "singular" type of deal. You is just you.. so it's easy to deal with it. But that is not always the case as you can well imagine.
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bmanic wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:27 pm
fisherKing wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:22 pm i have mixes of old projects, if i need a reference. and if i open an old project and no longer have some synth plugins, i find new sounds, and endeavor to make things better. and life goes on...
Sure, that strategy works fine if you are the sole owner of the copyright, composition, production etc.

.. but that's not how it works with major record labels or television networks (for instance if you are the composer for some local TV series that gets renewed 10 years later and they want to make a surround mix). :)

As I tried to allude to earlier, I understand your case as it seems a "singular" type of deal. You is just you.. so it's easy to deal with it. But that is not always the case as you can well imagine.
i've worked with major record companies, famous artists (and less famous ones); done some film work (no tv scoring tho). anyway, i get it. but please... keep repeating the same thing as often as possible. :)

EDIT: ok, am gonna take a break from stupid posting. plenty of others here to keep that going (which makes THIS my last stupid post).

at least for a while... :roll:
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