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LeVzi · Post by **LeVzi** » Sun Feb 20, 2022 1:12 pm

I've been looking at other DAW's , not because I plan to move from Cubase, but you never know what might happen, and from what I see Studio 1 is it's only real alternative that won't force a re-learn completely.

Linear DAW's similar structure, lots on the inside etc.

I've tried Ableton, just hate the way it works. I tried Bitwig earlier, identical feel to Ableton, I uninstalled instantly. Not saying they are bad, just do not suit my style of working.

I've never tried Reaper, so how does that compare to the way Cubase/S1 works ?

FL Studio is not an option, and I already have it.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sun Feb 20, 2022 1:16 pm

I don't know if it's the only realistic alternative to Cubase, but, it's surely the best for me... (I used to own Cubase LE and Cubase Artist, and still own Cubase AI) Actually, I prefer Studio One in many ways. Cubase feels a bit clumsy, and cluttered with legacy hangover for the most things. And, don't get me started about MIDI mapping in Cubase... ARGH...

Reaper is a totally different animal. I owned it, and sold it, for various reasons. It's butt ugly for me, loaded with hard to distinguish options in big menus, and in the preference window, and, the default options are pretty bad for me as well (I often need to change simple things which are default in any other DAW... not in Reaper).

But, most of all, it's utterly uninspiring for me. I'm far from an aesthetic, but... Reaper is really borderline, to say the least.

I think you have to re-learn any new DAW anyway though. They work differently, even Cubase and Studio One, as many parallels as there are. As I mentioned, for me, in Studio One, that's not a big thing though, as, IMO, it does a lot of things in a better way. And a few things in a worse way.

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Sun Feb 20, 2022 1:25 pm

LeVzi wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 1:12 pm I've been looking at other DAW's , not because I plan to move from Cubase, but you never know what might happen, and from what I see Studio 1 is it's only real alternative that won't force a re-learn completely.

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If that is the criteria I would say yes.. I have tried all but Bitwig, which indeed from tutorials look a lot like Live.
But I can use Studio one without reading the manual, just be following cubendo type workflow.. hell a lot of the shortcuts are even the same..Of course none of this should be surprising since it was created by ex SB/Cubendo engineers.
rsp

LeVzi · Post by **LeVzi** » Sun Feb 20, 2022 1:30 pm

Yeah Studio One looks like the obvious choice, only thing that worries me with S1 is stability.

I was never able to get it running in demo mode when I tried it, this was a while ago, but Cubase has been rock solid of late.

I don't want to move, but the impending shift from VST2 to 3 only worries me i'll lose a lot of essential plugins.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sun Feb 20, 2022 1:41 pm

I think you have a new computer right? I'd just try the Studio One demo again. The issues probably were hardware related. I have it running on two Windows 10 machines here, and, it's rock solid. Think I had it crashing once or twice due to bad VST's, but apart from that...

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sun Feb 20, 2022 2:45 pm

Logic

LeVzi · Post by **LeVzi** » Sun Feb 20, 2022 2:55 pm

chk071 wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 1:41 pm I think you have a new computer right? I'd just try the Studio One demo again. The issues probably were hardware related. I have it running on two Windows 10 machines here, and, it's rock solid. Think I had it crashing once or twice due to bad VST's, but apart from that...

Yeah I will grab the demo. Good thing is if I want it, its on Splice.

LeVzi · Post by **LeVzi** » Sun Feb 20, 2022 2:57 pm

pdxindy wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 2:45 pmLogic

I should have said I am on windows.

LeVzi · Post by **LeVzi** » Sun Feb 20, 2022 3:02 pm

Does Studio 1 have the same kinda thing as Variaudio ?

ozinga · Post by **ozinga** » Sun Feb 20, 2022 7:15 pm

LeVzi wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 3:02 pm Does Studio 1 have the same kinda thing as Variaudio ?

Comes with melodyne essential

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Sun Feb 20, 2022 7:22 pm

I don't find Logic's workflow even remotely similarly to Cubendo "that won't force a re-learn completely."

My two cents.

rsp

fairlyclose · Post by **fairlyclose** » Sun Feb 20, 2022 7:34 pm

I use S1 for quite a while and it was very reliable. I switched back to Reaper, but if you like S1 after demoing it I would not hesitate buying it. The tutorial material on Youtube is very good as well, the forum is helpful too.

fese · Post by **fese** » Sun Feb 20, 2022 7:44 pm

A couple of years ago, when Cubase 7 was introduced, I was thinking about switching DAWS, and I tried S1, Reaper, Samplitude and Cakewalk. I was annoyed by all of them, as they didn’t work like Cubase, didn’t have the features I liked and used in Cubase or had other annoyances. Decided to stick with Cubase and not bother to spend weeks learning new workflows. Grass is always greener on the other side…
If for some reason I was forced to switch, of all those I would probably give S1 another chance, I guess it has overcome some of its limitations and lack of features by now (I tested 2.5). Or Cakewalk.

kritikon · Post by **kritikon** » Sun Feb 20, 2022 8:07 pm

I was on Cakewalk maybe 18 months/ 2 yrs ago. It has a very similar workflow to Cubase, but it was extremely clunky. They have apparently been developing it, which must be a good thing, but unless they've done megawork on it it is a considerable downgrade from Cubase. Just lots of little glitches that add up to serious pita territory...I found myself taking forever doing things that are reasonably quick in Cubarse - especially midi editing and automation. Don't get me wrong...for a freebie it's amazing, but can't see anyone actively choosing to switch to it from a pro DAW.

machinesworking · Post by **machinesworking** » Sun Feb 20, 2022 8:14 pm

LeVzi wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 1:30 pm Yeah Studio One looks like the obvious choice, only thing that worries me with S1 is stability.

I was never able to get it running in demo mode when I tried it, this was a while ago, but Cubase has been rock solid of late.

I don't want to move, but the impending shift from VST2 to 3 only worries me i'll lose a lot of essential plugins.

Like people have mentioned any DAW is going to be a learning curve, if you're switching DAWs you would expect that it might take some time to get comfortable.

In terms of features, Studio One, Digital Performer, Cubase and Reaper all are capable. In terms of stability, I think maybe you're running into configuration issues, your specific system setup had conflicts with Studio One at the time you tried it. DP has this issue on PC, it either works perfectly or it conflicts with something in peoples set ups.

Truth of the matter is VST2 support is going away though, reports are Steinberg are actively pulling any future development of VST2 ports to the Apple M1 platform in order to force everyones hand, so I'm not sure moving to a new DAW does anything more than buy time. But my choice is DP, it's great.

Is Studio 1 the only realistic alternative to Cubase ?