Digital Performer 11

[machinesworking]

MX4 synthesizer is lush,
but it displays badly on Windows

Not a Windows issue, MOTU need to update the interface, it's tiny and barely readable on Mac OS as well. It needs to happen, it sounds great with MPE instruments.

[nix808]

+1 on the need to update it,
and honestly work on rendering graphics in Windows.

On my 2006 iMac(which now has a SMART error and is trash)
MX-4 looks unreal, but on Win it's barely readable, like u say

-hope DP is the right stuff for u ongoing,
it sorta is just MX4 for me, I have the boxed MAS/AU also

[machinesworking]

+1 on the need to update it,
and honestly work on rendering graphics in Windows.

On my 2006 iMac(which now has a SMART error and is trash)
MX-4 looks unreal, but on Win it's barely readable, like u say

-hope DP is the right stuff for u ongoing,
it sorta is just MX4 for me, I have the boxed MAS/AU also

What version are you on? Windows graphics were improved pretty recently.
D11 release notes:

Text Rendering and dialog box scaling on Windows — Optimized for the latest text rendering engine in Windows 10, DP’s text appears significantly crisper. DP also resizes system dialogs and menus appropriately for the size and resolution of your computer screen.

I'm a fan, I've been using it since before it was a DAW when it was a MIDI sequencer, and I'm in contact with MOTU reps on a weekly basis, so I'm obviously biased. Even saying this, when Windows users share their DP screens it really doesn't look that bad to me. Mx4 GUI needs a total rewrite, that's absolutly the case, but beyond that it looks fine to me?

[nix808]

my MX-4 is attached
it's the text that is rendered poorly
I don't need a ui rewrite, just crystal sub pixels

that's sweet you know MOTU,
I have also had problems creating/routing MIDI sources in DP
-and multi-channel fx too in audio has given me problems

I'm so willing to troubleshoot my problems if you have the patience MW

[machinesworking]

my MX-4 is attached
it's the text that is rendered poorly
I don't need a ui rewrite, just crystal sub pixels

that's sweet you know MOTU,
I have also had problems creating/routing MIDI sources in DP
-and multi-channel fx too in audio has given me problems

I'm so willing to troubleshoot my problems if you have the patience MW

It doesn't look much better in DP, especially the tiny font near the sliders. IMO it's a bit in the same position as Absynth or some other older plug ins where it's just tiny on 1080p or larger resolutions. When they made the whole GUI resizable I hoped the plug in GUIs would get the treatment, but they didn't. It reminds me to send in a request for that.

As far as MIDI sources in DP, what were your issues? I really haven't seen too much different there. Recently purchased Blue Cat Audios Connector and it was cake to set if up in DP. I still haven't been able to get it to work with MainStage which is a drag.

On odd thing, some VST3 plug ins do not publish to instrument tracks, they publish to Aux and Audio tracks, it seems to be the ones with complex MIDI in/out possibilities like the Reason Rack plugin that do this. It works just fine though, it's just... odd.

[nix808]

my use case is MIDI guitar,
where there are 6 audio inputs outputting one MIDI out,
I can't wire 6 inputs to 1 VSTfx,
and I can't wire the MIDI out back into an instrument

...please do ask for better graphics, I would +1

[syntonica]

my MX-4 is attached
it's the text that is rendered poorly
I don't need a ui rewrite, just crystal sub pixels

that's sweet you know MOTU,
I have also had problems creating/routing MIDI sources in DP
-and multi-channel fx too in audio has given me problems

I'm so willing to troubleshoot my problems if you have the patience MW

That looks to be same quality and era as EXS24, which Apple just recently killed off and replaced with the newer samplers. The font is probably bitmapped and doesn't scale at all. The graphics appear pixel perfect, though. Even if they don't update the GUI, replacing the fonts with TTF fonts shouldn't be too difficult, or even with just better antialiased bitmaps.

Send MOTU a nicely worded note, something about sleeping with the fishes, should do the trick.

[nix808]

yah- I have played on Mac a little,
and the old Logic stuff I loved. MX4 is old gold

I can shake a stick at MOTU indeed,
and say 'by my eye-teeth you will make MX4 look as good as it does on my 2006 iMac!'

[machinesworking]

my use case is MIDI guitar,
where there are 6 audio inputs outputting one MIDI out,
I can't wire 6 inputs to 1 VSTfx,
and I can't wire the MIDI out back into an instrument

...please do ask for better graphics, I would +1

Hmm? MIDI Guitars are all so different, but again are you using DP11? The MPE features also include multiple MIDI input on a single track, and all kinds of channel selection features that I would assume help out with MIDI guitar. Previous to DP11, DP10 and below would filter a single MIDI channel out of multiple MIDI inputs on a single MIDI track, so that might have been the issue. Even then 6 MIDI tracks would have worked, you can point multiple MIDI tracks to the same VSTi.

In terms of suggestions, we all can use it, they actually encourage us to use it in their webinars.
https://motu.com/en-us/suggestions/

In case you're awake and into it, one of the old guitar players from Yes Trevor Rabin is showing people his DP setup tomorrow.
https://motu.com/en-us/products/softwar ... vZAa0Y1S_I

[nix808]

oh nice ty!
-maybe I'll tune in to the set-up demo,
I would like it if I can find the recording

Looks like DP10 is my latest V

my MIDI guitar method I was trying in DP was to route tracks 3-8 on my interface to one VSTfx,
then route midi out of that fx to MX-4

-I'll have a look what price DP 11 is for me
edit==> oh looks like I have it, better have a look at functionality in my use case

wow the UI looks crisp, MX4 is no bettter though

[jonljacobi]

I was using the Mac version. I run Windows and macOS on a i7-6700 iMac and have gradually left Windows behind for music purposes. DP11 on macOS has been pretty darn stable so far, but I haven't stressed it.

[nix808]

all the menus r hard to negotiate,
like the header options
but mixer is there, piano roll too

[wuworld]

I just changed machines.

i7 11700k and 32 gigabytes of ram.

For the moment, I have Studio One Artist, I wanted to switch to the pro version, but in view of the takeover by Fender, no longer too much confidence in the future of Studio One and not want to invest for a daw whose evolution we do not know so much about and which knows to obsolescence in the short, medium term.

If it's like Gibson, the programmed death of Studio One, that would be a real shame, because an excellent daw.

Cubase remains an alternative.

But, according to some reading, Steinberg is removing features and users have to revert to an earlier version of Cubase, a shame, because normally an upgrade is better, more, and not downgraded.

Bugs also on Cubase, displays and others.

Can you confirm that for me?

Hence the subject of my post, how do you find Digital Performer 11?

He's worth the pain ?

Because it is still expensive.

It has a clip launcher system like ableton which is an integration that I really like.

Better to invest in Digital Performer 11 or Cubase 11?

My use is at 90% vst and plug ins, I plan to buy hardware, therefore, Digital Performer 11 must be as good at managing the virtual as the hardware.

Thank you in advance for your answers.

Had concerns will Fender/Presonus as well. An executive from Fender actually emailed me when everything happened. He's was cool, and explained everything. So far so good for me. Presonus Software has been hiring a lot as of late. You might want to listen to interview with Jim Odom, and more about why the went with Fender.

I'm sticking with Studio One personally.

[magog]

In case you're awake and into it, one of the old guitar players from Yes Trevor Rabin is showing people his DP setup tomorrow.
https://motu.com/en-us/products/softwar ... vZAa0Y1S_I

Oh man, I can't believe I missed this!!

[Examigan]

I wish there was a way to watch it now... maybe the webinar was recorded?