Is anybody still using McDSP?

[kPere]

Do they still only have 1 activation on iLok on their paid products? I mean everyone else has gone 2 at least.

I just got the Echo license and the first thing noticed, only 1 license. Second thing, read somewhere it's Mac only. lol.

That's not how you get me as customer.

Edit: apparently it's now on Windows too? But anyway not worth the hassle. I will not carry my Ilok from home to studio and back everyday.

They all work great on Windows. You don't need physical Ilok neither, it allows cloud sync as well.

Btw That Echo plugin is great!

[kPere]

I've tried a lot of plugins from them, and never fell in love with any. The installers are stupid, the plugins names are stupid (do you really remember the names ? sound like licence plates to me), the plugins sound basic to me, and the insanely low prices they sometimes propose make me feel they're desperately looking for clients. That's not for me. Cool for some of you if you like them.

What installer you mean? Seperate plugin installers are totally standard, absolutely no hassle there.

Not sure what insanely low prices you meant as well, Im rather thinking opposite.

[DJErmac]

I've tried a lot of plugins from them, and never fell in love with any. The installers are stupid, the plugins names are stupid (do you really remember the names ? sound like licence plates to me), the plugins sound basic to me, and the insanely low prices they sometimes propose make me feel they're desperately looking for clients. That's not for me. Cool for some of you if you like them.

What installer you mean? Seperate plugin installers are totally standard, absolutely no hassle there.

Not sure what insanely low prices you meant as well, Im rather thinking opposite.

The installers I’ve downloaded (Windows) always install the plugins in WTF folders, I have to find the plugins manually then.
I’ve only tried plugins when they were at very low prices, such as $19 instead of $299. I don’t remember which ones (names...) but could easily find the emails, I keep everything.

[zvenx]

Yeah I am with you... plus I initially bought into their DSP is fantastic... hmmmm I am no longer that impressed, I think the competition has caught up and surpassed. Plus I think they may hold the 'honour' of being the only left ilok developer who only gives one activation per license.

rsp

[kPere]

I've tried a lot of plugins from them, and never fell in love with any. The installers are stupid, the plugins names are stupid (do you really remember the names ? sound like licence plates to me), the plugins sound basic to me, and the insanely low prices they sometimes propose make me feel they're desperately looking for clients. That's not for me. Cool for some of you if you like them.

What installer you mean? Seperate plugin installers are totally standard, absolutely no hassle there.

Not sure what insanely low prices you meant as well, Im rather thinking opposite.

The installers I’ve downloaded (Windows) always install the plugins in WTF folders, I have to find the plugins manually then.
I’ve only tried plugins when they were at very low prices, such as $19 instead of $299. I don’t remember which ones (names...) but could easily find the emails, I keep everything.

I got to buy Analog bundle for 39$ (if Im not mistaken), so 4 plugins pretty much (11 actually), but damn, after that I couldnt get an offer better than 29$ for a plug. Must be some weird pricing strategy

[DJErmac]

I've tried a lot of plugins from them, and never fell in love with any. The installers are stupid, the plugins names are stupid (do you really remember the names ? sound like licence plates to me), the plugins sound basic to me, and the insanely low prices they sometimes propose make me feel they're desperately looking for clients. That's not for me. Cool for some of you if you like them.

What installer you mean? Seperate plugin installers are totally standard, absolutely no hassle there.

Not sure what insanely low prices you meant as well, Im rather thinking opposite.

The installers I’ve downloaded (Windows) always install the plugins in WTF folders, I have to find the plugins manually then.
I’ve only tried plugins when they were at very low prices, such as $19 instead of $299. I don’t remember which ones (names...) but could easily find the emails, I keep everything.

I got to buy Analog bundle for 39$ (if Im not mistaken), so 4 plugins pretty much (11 actually), but damn, after that I couldnt get an offer better than 29$ for a plug. Must be some weird pricing strategy

See, it's not in my head, sometimes they're nearly cutting prices like Plugin Alliance would :

End of year sale, febr 28

mcdsp-end-of-year.png

Holiday sale, jan 11

mcdsp-end-of-year.png

Holiday sale, jan 8, 2021

mcdsp3.png

[kPere]

I've tried a lot of plugins from them, and never fell in love with any. The installers are stupid, the plugins names are stupid (do you really remember the names ? sound like licence plates to me), the plugins sound basic to me, and the insanely low prices they sometimes propose make me feel they're desperately looking for clients. That's not for me. Cool for some of you if you like them.

What installer you mean? Seperate plugin installers are totally standard, absolutely no hassle there.

Not sure what insanely low prices you meant as well, Im rather thinking opposite.

The installers I’ve downloaded (Windows) always install the plugins in WTF folders, I have to find the plugins manually then.
I’ve only tried plugins when they were at very low prices, such as $19 instead of $299. I don’t remember which ones (names...) but could easily find the emails, I keep everything.

I got to buy Analog bundle for 39$ (if Im not mistaken), so 4 plugins pretty much (11 actually), but damn, after that I couldnt get an offer better than 29$ for a plug. Must be some weird pricing strategy

See, it's not in my head, sometimes they're nearly cutting prices like Plugin Alliance would :

End of year sale, febr 28
mcdsp-end-of-year.png

Holiday sale, jan 11
mcdsp-end-of-year.png

Holiday sale, jan 8, 2021
mcdsp3.png

Companies price policy is getting more and more absurd every year.

Respect goes to those who set fair prices and stray away from cheap marketing strategies.

[elxsound]

I've tried a lot of plugins from them, and never fell in love with any. The installers are stupid, the plugins names are stupid (do you really remember the names ? sound like licence plates to me), the plugins sound basic to me, and the insanely low prices they sometimes propose make me feel they're desperately looking for clients. That's not for me. Cool for some of you if you like them.

What installer you mean? Seperate plugin installers are totally standard, absolutely no hassle there.

Not sure what insanely low prices you meant as well, Im rather thinking opposite.

The installers I’ve downloaded (Windows) always install the plugins in WTF folders, I have to find the plugins manually then.
I’ve only tried plugins when they were at very low prices, such as $19 instead of $299. I don’t remember which ones (names...) but could easily find the emails, I keep everything.

I got to buy Analog bundle for 39$ (if Im not mistaken), so 4 plugins pretty much (11 actually), but damn, after that I couldnt get an offer better than 29$ for a plug. Must be some weird pricing strategy

See, it's not in my head, sometimes they're nearly cutting prices like Plugin Alliance would :

End of year sale, febr 28
mcdsp-end-of-year.png

Holiday sale, jan 11
mcdsp-end-of-year.png

Holiday sale, jan 8, 2021
mcdsp3.png

Companies price policy is getting more and more absurd every year.

Respect goes to those who set fair prices and stray away from cheap marketing strategies.

I think It’s more a matter of survival.

Look at the name of the thread. Nobody likes discounting their work, but if buyers are not coming and the direct competition is on perpetual sale at $29 you have do something. In the absence of releasing a new product, sales will always be the easier option.

[DJErmac]

It's only my opinion, but developers who very often set a very low price at their products simply make them look unjustifiedly priced. This makes the company look like a trap to me.

A rare sale seems magic (like take it or leave it), a neverending huge sale sounds like a company in despair in my view. A company I don't want to trust, like they're not trusting their own products.

There are exceptions, but not a lot. Plugin Alliance make excellent products in my opinion, but their policy is one of the worst in the world : when you get how it works, you can simply take advantage of it. Waves is one of them also. In a nutshell : wait for the plugins to be $19...

[elxsound]

It's only my opinion, but developers who very often set a very low price at their products simply make them look unjustifiedly priced. This makes the company look like a trap to me.

A rare sale seems magic, a neverending sale sounds like a company in despair in my view. A company I don't want to trust, like they're not trusting their own products.

There are exceptions, but not a lot. Plugin Alliance make excellent products in my opinion, but their policy is one of the worst in the world : when you get how it works, you can simply take advantage of it. Waves is one of them also.

You’re likely in the minority as are many of us on KVR where sales used to be rarer for top products.

Waves and Plugin Alliance are driving the pricing expectations and are likely successful in keeping perpetual sales for as long as they have (or they would have abandoned the model by now).

If you’re a developer selling a similar toolset (in function and end result) compared to Waves and Plugin Alliance, how else would you justify a higher price? PSP and Softube are doing more rock bottom pricing. We’re seeing more giveaways of paid products. I imagine it’s a tough time to gain a market share with such low pricing.

[dermage]

Do they still only have 1 activation on iLok on their paid products? I mean everyone else has gone 2 at least.

I just got the Echo license and the first thing noticed, only 1 license. Second thing, read somewhere it's Mac only. lol.

That's not how you get me as customer.

Edit: apparently it's now on Windows too? But anyway not worth the hassle. I will not carry my Ilok from home to studio and back everyday.

They all work great on Windows. You don't need physical Ilok neither, it allows cloud sync as well.

Btw That Echo plugin is great!

I have no permanent internet Connection in the studio. Not possible to constantly activate/deactivate. Also Ilok cloud is unstable at times, have heard numerous reports, eg. when Ilok servers were not reachable etc.

[DJErmac]

It's only my opinion, but developers who very often set a very low price at their products simply make them look unjustifiedly priced. This makes the company look like a trap to me.

A rare sale seems magic, a neverending sale sounds like a company in despair in my view. A company I don't want to trust, like they're not trusting their own products.

There are exceptions, but not a lot. Plugin Alliance make excellent products in my opinion, but their policy is one of the worst in the world : when you get how it works, you can simply take advantage of it. Waves is one of them also.

You’re likely in the minority as are many of us on KVR where sales used to be rarer for top products.

Waves and Plugin Alliance are driving the pricing expectations and are likely successful in keeping perpetual sales for as long as they have (or they would have abandoned the model by now).

If you’re a developer selling a similar toolset (in function and end result) compared to Waves and Plugin Alliance, how else would you justify a higher price? PSP and Softube are doing more rock bottom pricing. We’re seeing more giveaways of paid products. I imagine it’s a tough time to gain a market share with such low pricing.

Well, I don't really know, as I'm on the other side.

What I can tell you is that I absolutely love developers who reward fidelity instead to lower prices. You said PSP, I could also say Fabfilter, Voxengo, DMG Audio or even Blue Cat Audio. If you want to think on the other side : they're able to propose lower prices, but with a different policy. They're not basically saying they're not quite sure of their price to me.

Intro offers are perfect also to me.

The only thing I'm saying sounds cheap is when you see a plugin proposed at 75% every six months. 99% of the time, I think the plugin is bad.

But that's just me.

[elxsound]

It's only my opinion, but developers who very often set a very low price at their products simply make them look unjustifiedly priced. This makes the company look like a trap to me.

A rare sale seems magic, a neverending sale sounds like a company in despair in my view. A company I don't want to trust, like they're not trusting their own products.

There are exceptions, but not a lot. Plugin Alliance make excellent products in my opinion, but their policy is one of the worst in the world : when you get how it works, you can simply take advantage of it. Waves is one of them also.

You’re likely in the minority as are many of us on KVR where sales used to be rarer for top products.

Waves and Plugin Alliance are driving the pricing expectations and are likely successful in keeping perpetual sales for as long as they have (or they would have abandoned the model by now).

If you’re a developer selling a similar toolset (in function and end result) compared to Waves and Plugin Alliance, how else would you justify a higher price? PSP and Softube are doing more rock bottom pricing. We’re seeing more giveaways of paid products. I imagine it’s a tough time to gain a market share with such low pricing.

Well, I don't really know, as I'm on the other side.

What I can tell you is that I absolutely love developers who reward fidelity instead to lower prices. You said PSP, I could also say Fabfilter, Voxengo, DMG Audio or even Blue Cat Audio. If you want to think on the other side : they're able to propose lower prices, but with a different policy. They're not basically saying they're not quite sure of their price to me.

Intro offers are perfect also to me.

The only thing I'm saying sounds cheap is when you see a plugin proposed at 75% every six months. 99% of the time, I think the plugin is bad.

But that's just me.

And there lies one of the challenge for developers.

But… I think that way of thinking just dates us.

I think moving forward, the expectation is a low price, especially with the younger generations being more accustomed to app pricing.

[bk]

I bought 6050 for something like $50, then was offered an upgrade to 6060 for $50.
I just got the Delay plug for free.
They're decent plugs, but the Windows installers don't allow you to pick where the VST2 versions go, and don't bother to tell you where they're going to be installed, so I always have to go find them. Pretty annoying in 2022.
Updates and bug fixes seem glacially slow, so make sure the demo functions properly before buying.
The plugs themselves sound good, and are useful, but there's no way I would have shelled out regular price on any of them.

[jbraner]

The EC 300 seems pretty cool (I just got it for free).
The installation is pretty lame - but I found where it put the VST2 file, and moved it.
(it was in C:\Program Files\Common Files\Steinberg\VST2)

It doesn't seem to be able to access the presets in Windows though.
I'm running Reaper x64 in Windows 10 x64 - has anyone accessed the EC-300 presets in Windows?
It puts some presets in:
C:\Program Files (x86)\McDSP\EC300 Native\Presets
but the plugin doesn't even have a "presets" area in the UI.
Are the presets just for Mac users?
Do I need to copy these somewhere else?
Thanks.