Cubase 12 released

[AcrossTheSky]

So when does everything else go to the new licensing system?
I have C12 working smoothly on my M1 mac but cannot use Halion 6 and libraries, Padshop 2 libraries, Backbone etc without the dongle…

One step at a time, I guess.
I have Absolute, and will still have to use the dongle for that even if I update to C12.
I don't think I'm going to update Absolute, because I only use Halion.

I bought Halion as part of Absolute,
but I don't know if I'll be able to update Halion to 7 when it comes out because of that.
If I have to buy Halion again outright to have it not be part of Absolute, I'll feel pretty ripped off.

After upgrading Cubase from 11 to 12 - on the eLicenser it reads Cubase pro 11 ( not upgradable ).
I should think the same will be for other steinberg stuff like Absolute 5 - once upgraded to the
new activation style. It that case we should see Halion 7 as a separate install - not replacing H6.
Surely there are 10k of people wanting to still be able to use cubase 11 , the disc. plugins etc
at least to finish the many projects that they started using previous versions of vst2 etc...

A possibility is that Steinberg will update some of the discontinued stuff & inc. them In Absolute 6. Unless they're done & bored with old stuff. Recent survey was for a reason...

[mothra]

user presets are now located in a user folder in Documents. (on Mac)
See the manual for details. And although the manual says the proces is automatic, you have to move them by hand yourself.

Where were they originally located in C11?? I'd like to go check and see if they did or not. I just checked my Documents folder and it looks like all of mine may have moved. All of the folders in the Documents/Steinberg/Cubase/User Presets folder have an 'Earlier Versions' folder and these were all created yesterday during the install, but I don't know if these were created with the install or if it actually did move them.

[mountainmaster]

Wait, if I don't upgrade to Cubase 12 does that mean I won't be able to use Cubase 11 anymore in a few years? (or whenever they decide turn the licensing server off)

[dellboy]

Wait, if I don't upgrade to Cubase 12 does that mean I won't be able to use Cubase 11 anymore in a few years? (or whenever they decide turn the licensing server off)

I think they are still undecided about what happens to old licenses when they turn the servers off. There is talk of a "transition period" which may mean that old licenses are converted to online. Its probably best to read for yourself and see what you make of it...............

https://www.steinberg.net/licensing/faq/

[mountainmaster]

Wait, if I don't upgrade to Cubase 12 does that mean I won't be able to use Cubase 11 anymore in a few years? (or whenever they decide turn the licensing server off)

I think they are still undecided about what happens to old licenses when they turn the servers off. There is talk of a "transition period" which may mean that old licenses are converted to online. Its probably best to read for yourself and see what you make of it...............

https://www.steinberg.net/licensing/faq/

Thanks for that link. This part reassured me: "Even after the eLicenser server is eventually decommissioned, further still into the future, existing USB-eLicensers will continue to work for as long as they remain functional and you are still able to run the corresponding software versions on your computer."

I may do the upgrade after things quiet down, but I'm hesitant because of all the talk about disabled VST2 support. As I understand it VST2 still works on Windows, right?

[felis]

Wait, if I don't upgrade to Cubase 12 does that mean I won't be able to use Cubase 11 anymore in a few years? (or whenever they decide turn the licensing server off)

You'll be able to use it as long as the license is on the dongle.
If you ever need to use the server after it's taken down, that'll be the end of it then.

For example, sometimes after an OS update, I need to use the maintenance function to get Cubase to run.
That won't be possible at that point.

[felis]

After upgrading Cubase from 11 to 12 - on the eLicenser it reads Cubase pro 11 ( not upgradable ).
I should think the same will be for other steinberg stuff like Absolute 5 - once upgraded to the
new activation style. It that case we should see Halion 7 as a separate install - not replacing H6.
Surely there are 10k of people wanting to still be able to use cubase 11 , the disc. plugins etc
at least to finish the many projects that they started using previous versions of vst2 etc...

A possibility is that Steinberg will update some of the discontinued stuff & inc. them In Absolute 6. Unless they're done & bored with old stuff. Recent survey was for a reason...

I have a different concern. I bought Absolute which contains Halion.
I want to update Halion (when it comes out), but not Absolute.
I'll probably have to contact Steinberg at that point, but I'm not real hopeful about it.

[dellboy]

You'll be able to use it as long as the license is on the dongle.
If you ever need to use the server after it's taken down, that'll be the end of it then.

For example, sometimes after an OS update, I need to use the maintenance function to get Cubase to run.
That won't be possible at that point.

How would that be right? You purchase a license and at some point in the future they arbitrarily decide you have had your moneys worth and discontinue it?

I think the only sensible option is to transition all old remaining licenses to the new system before they turn off the servers.

[KVR_Throwaway]

I think it says something that most of the posts here and on the Steinberg forums are more about the licensing issues than the new features. Not a lot of excitement.

In my opinion, the useful stuff is:

> Multitrack warp: Finally, awesome!
> MIDI Remote Integration: Not something I direly needed, but the interface seems nice and it's probably great for custom controllers - like importing your own Sensel Morph layouts, for example.
> VariAudio with Scale Assistant: That'll speed up certain tasks.

Everything else is kinda "...who cares?" I mean adding a new key command to trim the start/end of an audio item? I feel like that's such a minor thing that it should be a footnote in the changelog, not a highlight in video trailers. Same with things like anti-aliased waveforms. Again, cool, but it feels like they just ran out of important things to brag about on the frontpage.

Meanwhile I still can't do something as simple as change the horizontal scrolling direction on Windows.

[4damind]

The new remote controller integration/editor is really, really good. Probably no other DAW has something comparable?

[xbitz]

IMO with Mackie still the

https://download.steinberg.net/download ... evices.pdf

is the easiest, no need for any kind of assigning it just works (and the motorized faders don't work in MIDI CC mode of Faderport anyway)

[felis]

I think it says something that most of the posts here and on the Steinberg forums are more about the licensing issues than the new features. Not a lot of excitement....

I think they should have done it as two separate things.
Everyone who has Cubase, gets an extra copy of what they had, free in the new license system.
Then a while later, make an upgrade to C12 available, when people are into, and comfortable with the new system.

[kritikon]

I think it says something that most of the posts here and on the Steinberg forums are more about the licensing issues than the new features. Not a lot of excitement.

In my opinion, the useful stuff is:

> Multitrack warp: Finally, awesome!
> MIDI Remote Integration: Not something I direly needed, but the interface seems nice and it's probably great for custom controllers - like importing your own Sensel Morph layouts, for example.
> VariAudio with Scale Assistant: That'll speed up certain tasks.

Everything else is kinda "...who cares?" I mean adding a new key command to trim the start/end of an audio item? I feel like that's such a minor thing that it should be a footnote in the changelog, not a highlight in video trailers. Same with things like anti-aliased waveforms. Again, cool, but it feels like they just ran out of important things to brag about on the frontpage.

Meanwhile I still can't do something as simple as change the horizontal scrolling direction on Windows.

TBH the only things that attract me in 12 are the new plugins. Warp - never used it in my life. VariAudio - never used it in my life. Midi remote stuff - I can see it being useful but guess what - never used it in my life. Sounds like they've done some better stuff with freeze but still pretty basic and underdeveloped. Compatible with Win11 - whoopee doopee....not.
And the new plugins are heavily counterbalanced by incredibly useful stuff that they've taken out. Steinberg are really good at that - taking good stuff out. That's what will stop me upgrading for quite a while yet sadly.

[pixel85]

Just an observation:
For decades I heard complaints that Cubase native plugins suck balls and it's the weakest part of Cubase. Everyone always praised Logic, then Live when it came out. Cubase effects suck, instruments suck and are totally useless.
Now suddenly when Steinberg is removing some of their native plugins, people starting to complain because they can't live without them.

Ps. in the past they removed plugins that were done by 3rd party developers and it ended up because of licensing and contracts. Those were usually praised.
Mystic, Spector etc. that belong Steinberg, were ignored by the community for their entire lifespan.

Are plugins like artists? They must die to get the praise they always deserved?

[EnGee]

I've never liked Mystic, Prologue and Spector synths! The effects are ok though. Anyway Loopmash is really good (although I haven't used it a lot) and the new synths (Retrologue, Padshop and some others inside Halion Sonic SE) are excellent synths IMO.

I don't agree they just discontinue synths or plugs! They did that before with A1. There must be at least some additional option for legacy plugs. Apple did better with Logic regarding this point.