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riley4reason · Post by **riley4reason** » Thu Mar 03, 2022 1:21 pm

I couldn't find a clear answer so I upgraded to find out, I still need the dongle for GrooveAgent. I'm sure I'll have to pay for another upgrade to be dongle free. Riley

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Thu Mar 03, 2022 1:28 pm

It actually came to my mind that you have to, earlier... I guess you have to be patient, and wait until the respective products are updated to work with their new licensing system.

Doubt that you will have to wait until the next Cubase. It's the plugins which have to be updated, because, they are separate products, which use eLicenser for activation.

All the Cubase included stuiff shouldn't be affected though, as they are included in the Cubase activation. So, you probably mean the Grovve Agent which you can buy as a spearate product, not Groove Agent SE, which comes with Cubase. Yes, of course you still need the dongle, or soft eLicenser for those. Only Cubase and Dorico use the new licensing system so far.

riley4reason · Post by **riley4reason** » Thu Mar 03, 2022 1:29 pm

chk071 wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 1:28 pm It actually came to my mind that you have to, earlier... I guess you have to be patient, and wait until the respective products are updated to work with their new licensing system.

Doubt that you will have to wait until the next Cubase. It's the plugins which have to be updated, because, they are separate products, which use eLicenser for activation.

Agreed. I'm having a negative future fantasy. Riley

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Thu Mar 03, 2022 1:31 pm

Check my edit above. The Cubase included plugins shouldn't be affected, only plugins you bought spearately. The only Steinberg software which use the new licenseing are Cubase 12 and Dorico 4 so far.

See here, also for future updates: https://helpcenter.steinberg.de/hc/en-u ... -Licensing

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Thu Mar 03, 2022 1:41 pm

SpectraLayers 8.0.20 update came out and I think that switched to the new licensing system whereas spectralayers 8 itself had required e-licenser.
so yes give them some time to move their other products.

rsp

David W · Post by **David W** » Sat Mar 05, 2022 7:43 pm

zvenx wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 1:41 pm SpectraLayers 8.0.20 update came out and I think that switched to the new licensing system whereas spectralayers 8 itself had required e-licenser.

8.0.20 is dual-licenced. Paid licences for SpectraLayers Pro and Elements seem to stay on eLicenser for now, but 8.0.20 allows Cubase 12 licence holders to run SpectraLayers ONE.

Steinberg has not announced any plans for licence migration yet other than on a (paid) major version update. However, they have said repeatedly on their forum that they continue to explore the options and listen to feedback.

I cannot see any further products moving to Steinberg Licensing until the dust has settled after Cubase 12. It is likely the next product to launch on Steinberg Licensing will be Nuendo 12.

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Sat Mar 05, 2022 8:57 pm

I have responses to most of what you said, but can't respond (NDA).

I will just repeat this:

"so yes give them some time to move their other products."

rsp

_leras · Post by **_leras** » Sat Mar 05, 2022 10:29 pm

some people...

They are just implementing a major licensing change - not small feat, I'm sure. They are hardly likely to just try and do everything at once.

Complain for years to remove the dongle, then when it happens complain even more...!!

Have to say - I have never had an issue with the Cubase dongle. (Well, except minor panic occasionally not recalling where I tucked it away before going on vacation.)

danielh02 · Post by **danielh02** » Sun Mar 06, 2022 1:06 am

David W wrote: Sat Mar 05, 2022 7:43 pm
zvenx wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 1:41 pm SpectraLayers 8.0.20 update came out and I think that switched to the new licensing system whereas spectralayers 8 itself had required e-licenser.
8.0.20 is dual-licenced. Paid licences for SpectraLayers Pro and Elements seem to stay on eLicenser for now, but 8.0.20 allows Cubase 12 licence holders to run SpectraLayers ONE.

Steinberg has not announced any plans for licence migration yet other than on a (paid) major version update. However, they have said repeatedly on their forum that they continue to explore the options and listen to feedback.

I cannot see any further products moving to Steinberg Licensing until the dust has settled after Cubase 12. It is likely the next product to launch on Steinberg Licensing will be Nuendo 12.

Yeah, I installed Cubase 12 on a new MacBook and am trying to go dongle-free on that. I installed SpectraLayers Pro from the download manager, but it installed as SL One.

The "SE" plugin versions run OK (Groove Agent SE, etc.).

-Dan

Cubase 12, you still need the e-Licenser Dongle for GrooveAgent and other full instruments