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kovacs · Post by **kovacs** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 3:12 pm

AndreasE wrote:What does Live 4 distinguish from "Magix Music Maker 2005" which costs only 1/8 of the price for Live?

Magix Music Maker is a fun tool to make music, if you're a good musician you can make good music with it, too. Live 4 is a professional sequencer which lets you make good music if you're a good musician.

The difference is...er...apart from the horrible support from Magix...?

Come on. You're comparing apples and oranges here. Both are fruits but they look, taste, and feel, and are used, differently.

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 3:24 pm

Choose Live... choose a sequencer, choose a loop tool, choose a fuckin' great program!! Choose wasting your life away in some godforsaken room with a copy of Live 4 on your PC, a few vsti's and effects, wishing you'd bought the program years before so you'd be a long time user of the program.

Choose Live....

Or.. choose logic aka heroine (bad for you)

AndreasE · Post by **AndreasE** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 3:43 pm

kovacs wrote:Magix Music Maker is a fun tool to make music, if you're a good musician you can make good music with it, too.
Come on. You're comparing apples and oranges here. Both are fruits but they look, taste, and feel, and are used, differently.

I think it is underestimated today. It has changed from a fun tool for kids to a mature Audio/Midi sequencer application. It´s a derivate from Samplitude which surely isn´t a fun tool.

AndreasE · Post by **AndreasE** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 3:43 pm

bucodi wrote:
AndreasE wrote:What does Live 4 distinguish from "Magix Music Maker 2005" which costs only 1/8 of the price for Live?
http://site.magix.net/index.php?12641&version=standard
3. I saw MMM 2004 and didn't see a midi editor in it, perhaps they have it now in 2005 ?
6. VSTi support (isn't there in 2004 neither)

Hi Rony,

it now has a midi editor and VSTi support.

AndreasE · Post by **AndreasE** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 3:48 pm

dr.wackler wrote:
AndreasE wrote:What does Live 4 distinguish from "Magix Music Maker 2005" which costs only 1/8 of the price for Live?
What does distinguish a Mountain from a Horse?

That´s Dr. Wackler Live

drez · Post by **drez** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 5:40 pm

AndreasE wrote:I think it is underestimated today. It has changed from a fun tool for kids to a mature Audio/Midi sequencer application. It´s a derivate from Samplitude which surely isn´t a fun tool.

jebudas · Post by **jebudas** » Sun Dec 05, 2004 7:13 am

THANKS TO EVERYONE FOR THE INFO!!!

Jebudas

kara · Post by **kara** » Sun Dec 05, 2004 9:24 am

AndreasE wrote:
bucodi wrote:
AndreasE wrote:What does Live 4 distinguish from "Magix Music Maker 2005" which costs only 1/8 of the price for Live?
http://site.magix.net/index.php?12641&version=standard
3. I saw MMM 2004 and didn't see a midi editor in it, perhaps they have it now in 2005 ?
6. VSTi support (isn't there in 2004 neither)
Hi Rony,

it now has a midi editor and VSTi support.

Hi Andreas,

Just a litle question here, since I suppose you use it?
How does it copare to Tracktion ? I don't want to start another flame war here but I kind of liked the 2004 version except for the shortcommings. Since now it has midi & vsti would it be worth going back to it?

Hmm... Your workflow : Jammer Pro & Magix ?

Rony

machinesworking · Post by **machinesworking** » Sun Dec 05, 2004 1:14 pm

Just to throw my two cents in here.

I use both. I come up with rhythms and patterns and whole songs in logic. Then export them to Live for live use, and remixing.

Live 4 is just too much of a CPU pig on a mac, ( and doesn't use dual CPUs for shit ) to use as a full fledged DAW IMO. I have a dual Gig G4, and get 16 instances of Absynth in Logic, as compared to 7 in live 4.

Logic has key commands for everything, and you can assign your own. Live is pretty good that way, but if somebody has a super secret key command to hide the file browser, let me know OK? I'm kind of stunned they left that out??? Same goes for the hiding and showing of quantization etc. in MIDI clips?

Don't get me wrong I really like Live, but I realized I could work quicker in Logic. Also editing MIDI in Live sucks compared to Logic.
It kills Logic for realtime manipulation of audio tracks, and audio routing is pretty dammed cool as well.

So my advice is get Logic, start writing, save some money, and get Live!

kovacs · Post by **kovacs** » Sun Dec 05, 2004 4:43 pm

machinesworking wrote:So my advice is get Logic, start writing, save some money, and get Live!

Interesting. My advice would be the exact opposite. And after owning Live for a while no sane person would by Logic.

AndreasE · Post by **AndreasE** » Sun Dec 05, 2004 5:46 pm

bucodi wrote:Just a litle question here, since I suppose you use it?
How does it copare to Tracktion ? I don't want to start another flame war here but I kind of liked the 2004 version except for the shortcommings. Since now it has midi & vsti would it be worth going back to it?

Hmm... Your workflow : Jammer Pro & Magix ?

Hi Rony,

I don´t use it really. I have an old version MMM6 and play only sometimes with it. But for audio it´s very good. Btw., they have a demo version of MMM2005 for download.
Since I didn´t use Tracktion until now, I can´t compare it.
But also Magix Music Studio is a very good application for its price. It consists of two separate programs: Midi Studio (=Logic 5.x light) and Audio Studio (=Samplitude light).

No, my main workflow is Jammer connected via Midi Yoke to Chainer or EXT .

kara · Post by **kara** » Sun Dec 05, 2004 6:12 pm

Wat a coinsidense.
Jammer -> Ext or Console here

Rony

AndreasE · Post by **AndreasE** » Sun Dec 05, 2004 10:37 pm

bucodi wrote:Wat a coinsidense.
Jammer -> Ext or Console here

olafmol · Post by **olafmol** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 8:57 am

dr.wackler wrote:
olafmol wrote:hmm if you're just looking for basic multitracking i wouldn't go for live..... it is possible to do in live, [...]...it's more aimed at using the sequencer as a creative instrument...
And that's one of those myths around Live, since it started as a "sequencing instrument".
Yet, even linear arranging in Live is the best thought out of all DAWs I have worked with*, as is audio recording and - after all - re-recording!

It's the MIDI part that lacks functionality as of now. Put the myth about Live being an enferior multitracking software is just that - a myth.

*(Logic, ProTools, Cubase, Tracktion, Muzys, Digital Performer, Vision, Deck)

come on! in nuendo or cubase you can just drag a piece of audio over another piece of audio on the same track, and it automatically creates a crossfade using a default curve..you can manually adjust this curve as needed..... no way that live4 can do this as intuitive and clear.... i love live4, but for day to day audio editting stuff it's just not comparable to nuendo, logic or samplitude..... you have to be real about it...it has lots of positive aspects, but also some things that can be done better/more easy in other programs

Olaf

kovacs · Post by **kovacs** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 9:37 am

olafmol wrote:you have to be real about it...it has lots of positive aspects, but also some things that can be done better/more easy in other programs

this is of course true for everything in this world. No need to discuss anything anymore, then.

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