A bit puzzled about some Neutron Track Assistant aspect

[xuoham]

(edit: i mistakenly talk about Ozone here but the thread is about Neutron's track assistant.
Hadn't used Ozone in 6 month so i mixed it up with Neutron )

I know that Neutron and Ozone are not the miracle medication and that they basically provide a starting point to be refined, but i am puzzled about the way Track Assistant (ignore this: and Master Assistant listen).

Why can't we choose in the preferences how long they listen when analyzing ?


Especially for track assistant, many times i had a track with so much change inside, that the mere few seconds of analyzing time seemed ridiculously unrealistic.
I wish it could "listen" to the entire track, like Match EQ does when its analyzing.

Or is there something i missed ?

Sorry if this has been covered before.

Thanks.

[Dirk Diggler]

You just select the time frame you want from the wave display above. Click and drag on the timeline.
I've found at least 30 seconds is good for Ozone, also I generally pick the hottest spot for that section.

[xuoham]

Thanks for your help !

Actually, regarding Ozone, since used it six month ago for the last time, i forgot that, indeed, one can freely select a time frame.

My concern is actually Track Assistant in Neutron.
Recently purchased and not yet fully familiar with it.

So, i checked again the manual and the GUI, and there doesn't seem to be a possibility to select how long Track Assistant listens to the "assisted" track.
If this is the case, it doesn't really make sense to me.
So far it's been pretty disappointing, but it's okay, it's just making starting point proposals anyway.

[Dirk Diggler]

I assumed Neutron was the same, but never used it myself.

It seems to me it should have the same interface doesn't it?

Are you sure it doesn't use the whole file, that would make more sense.

[ZargonTheMagnificent]

I agree about neutron, although I've not been able to use track assistant for a while since the install went bad.

I pretty much gave up on the IZ stuff (although I have most of it) due to really sluggish gui performance in reaper at least.

[xuoham]

It seems to me it should have the same interface doesn't it?

It seems but i does not. Since Neutron is a mixing tool it has no standalone version and consequently does not "load" tracks, so no waveform display to select.
Track assistant just says "waiting for you to play track" and does its analysis in a few seconds, leave or take.

[xuoham]

I agree about neutron, although I've not been able to use track assistant for a while since the install went bad.

I pretty much gave up on the IZ stuff (although I have most of it) due to really sluggish gui performance in reaper at least.

Are you on windows ?

I am and in the beginning the GUI was horribly sluggish but just one tweak in Windows changed everything. I think it was just that my advanced settings had switched to "adjust for best performance of programs" while it should be "best performance for background services".
Not 100% sure that it was this problem, i will post if i remember exactly.
Anyway, for audio it should always be "background service" that gets priority.

Surprising actually that Izotope doesn't mention about this, though that GUI sluggishness makes Ozone (especially) absolutely useless.

[MogwaiBoy]

You're right, the Track Assistant makes up its mind REALLY fast, and it makes you wonder "Huh? are you sure you heard enough?"

I love the way Tokyo Dawn's AI does it.. it keeps listening and just informs you when it's ready - and if you choose, you can keep it listening as long as you want.

[xuoham]

... and it makes you wonder "Huh? are you sure you heard enough?"

My thoughts exactly ! Thanks.

[Biome_Digital]

Pick a busy part of the mix and loop it.

I actually think Ozone is very good. As long as the mix is done well. Ozone AI sorts some EQ issues, then you usually have to adjust the limiter yourself.

[xuoham]

Pick a busy part of the mix and loop it.

I actually think Ozone is very good. As long as the mix is done well. Ozone AI sorts some EQ issues, then you usually have to adjust the limiter yourself.

Seems that you did not read carefully, we are mainly talking about Track Assistant.
Thnx though.

Maybe i should edit the title.

[Biome_Digital]

Pick a busy part of the mix and loop it.

I actually think Ozone is very good. As long as the mix is done well. Ozone AI sorts some EQ issues, then you usually have to adjust the limiter yourself.

Seems that you did not read carefully, we are mainly talking about Track Assistant.
Thnx though.

Maybe i should edit the title.

Well it said OZONE!!

[xuoham]

Well it said OZONE!!

Thanks though !
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Thanks for your help !
Actually, regarding Ozone, since used it six month ago for the last time, i forgot that, indeed, one can freely select a time frame.
My concern is actually Track Assistant in Neutron.
Recently purchased and not yet fully familiar with it.

[SparkySpark]

This has puzzled me as well. At least my songs have differences in pitch and volume, and with that follow different ways of singing. Maybe Neutron has had enough of me after five seconds but this brief time period makes me not using the plugin. I simply don't trust it.

[xuoham]

Actually, regarding Ozone as well, yes, you can select the zone of the file to be analyzed ("select the loudest part") but Ozone makes up its mind in no time anyway.
I would be more trusting if it would wait for the whole duration of the file or the user defined time span.

So, again, it's proposing starting points, not miracles, but A.I. or A. not yet so powerfuI I. ?

I still am glad i could afford Ozone and Neutron but i have had mitigated results so far.