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enriquemusic · Post by **enriquemusic** » Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:55 am

Anyone can tell me the principal advantage of using hableton vs logic for electronic music production?
My real problem was that I had to change my mac every time logic made a big update, but right now same situation with ableton since version 9.
Thanks

legendCNCD · Post by **legendCNCD** » Mon Mar 07, 2022 12:23 pm

For me, Ableton enables instant input when it opens up. Logic never did, always a hassle what ever one did. Basically I just want to do music, not setup tracks etc. (yes I know templates but its still slower)

kelvyn · Post by **kelvyn** » Mon Mar 07, 2022 12:42 pm

Set up an individual template once in Logic and you are good to go:)
Horses for courses in my opinion.
Been a long time Logic user and just prefer the GUI in Logic to Ableton, it’s an environment and look that I feel comfortable in and that settles my mind.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Mon Mar 07, 2022 1:44 pm

I'd pick Logic if those were my two options.

trtzbass · Post by **trtzbass** » Mon Mar 07, 2022 4:28 pm

I much rather prefer Ableton for creative purposes BUT if I had to choose one I'd choose logic for two reasons:
1) Live's latency compensation behaves poorly during mixing and
2) Live doesn't export midi. Yes, you read that right. 2022 and still it can't export a tempo map and all the MIDI info in an arrangement. It does export single MIDI clips but they don't even embed BPM info. A no no if you, for example, need to write scores for musicians off your arrangement

ssl4000 · Post by **ssl4000** » Mon Mar 07, 2022 5:00 pm

trtzbass wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 4:28 pm 1) Live's latency compensation behaves poorly during mixing

can you explain what do you mean exactly? I know Live doesn't compensate transport and graphics, but otherwise it works fine for me

trtzbass · Post by **trtzbass** » Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:43 pm

ssl4000 wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 5:00 pm
trtzbass wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 4:28 pm 1) Live's latency compensation behaves poorly during mixing
can you explain what do you mean exactly? I know Live doesn't compensate transport and graphics, but otherwise it works fine for me

Some processor heavy plugins mess up timing quite a bit, especially if you are using return tracks. I also use some outboard and to do that you have to manually adjust the delay compensation. Logic has an automatic ping function that sets the compensation automatically, although to be fair it took apple YEARS to fix PDC

apoclypse · Post by **apoclypse** » Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:52 am

I like them both though I'd probably lean more towards Logic because I like its linear workflow better than Live. However if you are on a Mac the cost of Logic and what you get for what you pay is pretty much no brainer imo.

mothra · Post by **mothra** » Tue Mar 08, 2022 6:07 am

Either one will get you where you need to go, its more a matter of which ones workflow and tools suit you better, and which ones shortcomings are easier to deal with hah. I've been a Logic user since Platinum 4 (I switched from Cubase VST along with switching over to a Mac at the time), but I bought Ableton last year and haven't seen Logic since. Maybe it just got boring or uninspiring or something who knows. Writing feels a lot clunkier to do what I need to in Logic nowadays, the tools in Ableton and the way it handles audio just work waaaaaaaay quicker for me. I really stopped using Logic for anything other than tracking my finished projects when I bought my MPC Live a few years back. My whole MIDI rig moved to the MPC, so the computer is just a tape deck now. Logic, or actually Cubase 12 now, does that job still. But Ableton is when I want to write on the computer and not have to turn on all my synths, the MPC, the console, the rack effects, etc..

teilo · Post by **teilo** » Tue Mar 08, 2022 2:29 pm

Honestly, it depends on your composition style. I'm more of a composer than a beatmaker. Logic wins hands down here. The MIDI editing, while frustrating at times due to stupid UI bugs, is far more capable than any other DAW except for Cubase. I love Logic's ability to apply curves in tempo automation. This is very important for the type of composition I do, where tempo changes need to feel more natural.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Tue Mar 08, 2022 2:50 pm

teilo wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 2:29 pm Honestly, it depends on your composition style. I'm more of a composer than a beatmaker. Logic wins hands down here. The MIDI editing, while frustrating at times due to stupid UI bugs, is far more capable than any other DAW except for Cubase. I love Logic's ability to apply curves in tempo automation. This is very important for the type of composition I do, where tempo changes need to feel more natural.

That is the basic reason I would pick Logic too... Logic is significantly better for music that doesn't live on a rigid grid.

elxsound · Post by **elxsound** » Tue Mar 08, 2022 5:25 pm

pdxindy wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 2:50 pm
teilo wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 2:29 pm Honestly, it depends on your composition style. I'm more of a composer than a beatmaker. Logic wins hands down here. The MIDI editing, while frustrating at times due to stupid UI bugs, is far more capable than any other DAW except for Cubase. I love Logic's ability to apply curves in tempo automation. This is very important for the type of composition I do, where tempo changes need to feel more natural.
That is the basic reason I would pick Logic too... Logic is significantly better for music that doesn't live on a rigid grid.

But isn’t the OP specifically asking about Electronic music production (which likely does live on the grid)?

Anyway. I use both. I prefer Live because it’s what I’m used to and familiarity has its own benefits.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Tue Mar 08, 2022 5:44 pm

elxsound wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 5:25 pm
pdxindy wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 2:50 pm
teilo wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 2:29 pm Honestly, it depends on your composition style. I'm more of a composer than a beatmaker. Logic wins hands down here. The MIDI editing, while frustrating at times due to stupid UI bugs, is far more capable than any other DAW except for Cubase. I love Logic's ability to apply curves in tempo automation. This is very important for the type of composition I do, where tempo changes need to feel more natural.
That is the basic reason I would pick Logic too... Logic is significantly better for music that doesn't live on a rigid grid.
But isn’t the OP specifically asking about Electronic music production (which likely does live on the grid)?

Anyway. I use both. I prefer Live because it’s what I’m used to and familiarity has its own benefits.

Who knows what someone means by the term. I mostly use synths (software and hardware) along with some vocals. So that would be mostly 'electronic music'. I still am fairly frequently off a rigid grid. Sometimes I sing or play without a metronome, then conform the grid to it. Logic is excellent for that.

teilo · Post by **teilo** » Tue Mar 08, 2022 5:45 pm

elxsound wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 5:25 pm But isn’t the OP specifically asking about Electronic music production (which likely does live on the grid)?

Anyway. I use both. I prefer Live because it’s what I’m used to and familiarity has its own benefits.

I also produce electronic music. It's just that my electronic music doesn't fit into the category of EDM. Electronic music is a massive tent.

jonljacobi · Post by **jonljacobi** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 5:23 pm

I find Live much easier and quicker, but it took a lot of learning, not to mention unlearning old habits. You must adapt to its methods and forego some things like notation etc. Indeed, it took me three flirtations over a period of maybe five years before I finally succumbed. But I record and edit. I don't use it as a composing tool. Try it. If you don't like it, go back.

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