Why don’t u-he synths Sound as good as hardware?

[jamcat]

Arturia's Prophet is not great. Neither is their moog.
So no, Arturia isn't closer to hardware and Repro isn't harsh, you're just uninformed.

You disqualified yourself with that statement about Arturia’s Minimoog.

As far as Repro, I’m only informed by what I heard. And it sounds like garbage in that video. You can’t honestly listen to it and claim otherwise.

[Ploki]

Arturia's Prophet is not great. Neither is their moog.
So no, Arturia isn't closer to hardware and Repro isn't harsh, you're just uninformed.

You disqualified yourself with that statement about Arturia’s Minimoog.

As far as Repro, I’m only informed by what I heard. And it sounds like garbage in that video. You can’t honestly listen to it and claim otherwise.

I posted another video, prophet vs repro, and they sound indistinguishable. poor sound design and poor preset match =! bad synth.
you can make a 4000$ guitar feeding a 3500$ mesaboogie sound whack if you're inept.

And no i didn't, Mini V is not a great moog. it's a cool synth, but its not an authentic moog. Softube, Legend, Diva all sound more authentic.

[El°HYM]

Keep in Mind that when comparing hardware to software, it is always a good Idea to listen to the vst through a proper DAC or Audio - Interface. Like a hardware synth has an output which is not unimportant to its sound. Keeping everything inside the Box might just not be the best sound - experience overall. As far as Arturia goes, those do sound good but its not accurate or anything in modelling the Original. Repro and Diva are surely nearer to that; another one worth to check out in this context would be the good old Monark.

[mixyguy2]

All VA softsynths sound more or less the same when you strip it all back.

Oh please, I bet you've never even been to Virginia.

Guys, this is obviously just one fun/troll thread that the creator didn't mean seriously at all, so why put some actual Logic and Reason into it?

Don't be such a Propellerhead!

You have this habit of attacking straw men.

Right? And it's racist. You don't see him attacking the tin man or the lion.

[gnu23]

Why don’t u-he synths Sound as good as hardware?

Because bees. And bears..definitely bears.

[zerocrossing]

Arturia's Prophet is not great. Neither is their moog.
So no, Arturia isn't closer to hardware and Repro isn't harsh, you're just uninformed.

You disqualified yourself with that statement about Arturia’s Minimoog.

As far as Repro, I’m only informed by what I heard. And it sounds like garbage in that video. You can’t honestly listen to it and claim otherwise.

Now you’re totally trolling. Hard.

Unless you have a sweet potato in each ear, the differences are pretty clear.

[itanever]

Why don’t u-he synths Sound as good as hardware?

Because bees. And bears..definitely bears.

bears. beets. battlestar galactica.

[ghostwhistler]

I have Repro and think it sounds fantastic. I'll never own the hardware and don't care to. But, as I have Pigments for wavetable fun, is there any reason to also pick up the Arturia prophet vst?

[itanever]

I have Repro and think it sounds fantastic. I'll never own the hardware and don't care to. But, as I have Pigments for wavetable fun, is there any reason to also pick up the Arturia prophet vst?

Assuming you're talking about the Prophet VS emulation, I'd say yes. Prophet VS isn't a wavetable synth, it uses 4 waveforms that you can morph between. Even if it's not the most accurate emulation, it's still a pretty cool vsti that can do some evolving nice pads.

[chk071]

Arturia's Prophet is not great. Neither is their moog.
So no, Arturia isn't closer to hardware and Repro isn't harsh, you're just uninformed.

You disqualified yourself with that statement about Arturia’s Minimoog.

As far as Repro, I’m only informed by what I heard. And it sounds like garbage in that video. You can’t honestly listen to it and claim otherwise.

Now you’re totally trolling. Hard.

Unless you have a sweet potato in each ear, the differences are pretty clear.

From my experience with several Minimoog emulations (Arturia Mini V, Monark, Diva, Model 72, Legend), I think that none of them really is perfect, and they're all different. Arturia surely is the furthest from the real thing though. Like the other Arturia synths, it sounds like a soft synth, in a bad way. Too generic, too clean, not enough bang in the envelopes, no pleasant analog resonance behavior of the filter.

Even comparing the others, they all have the one or the other shortcoming, or differences which may have been in the units they were modelled on. E.g. Model 72's filter almost has an unusual character for a Moog ladder filter. At least it sounds different than Monark's and Diva's filters, which are very close. On the other hand, neither Monark nor Diva have such clicky envelopes as the Model 72. I'm not sure how the envelopes on the real thing are, but, to me it seems like they exaggerated a bit in the Model 72. Same with the saturation. And Diva seems to be darker/more dampened than the others, which you also hear in the video your posted.

Let's just say that the holy grail surely hasn't been achieved yet. If it will ever be achieved.

[Ploki]

Yeah, Model '72 imo tries to be "augmented" analog. So, catering to what people expect from analog more than what analog actually is.

[chk071]

Yep, that's exactly my impression. "With double cheese", so to say. Already had that impression when I demo'd it, when it was released.

I like it, but, it seems to be a bit (synthetically) exaggerated.

[whyterabbyt]

So the vast majority of VAs are mathematically modeled VCOs.

Unlikely. Anything pre-2010 is vastly more likely to be table-lookup based (including mipmapped tables), especially all the original VA hardware synth, and its not a given that they dont still have considerable use.
Feel free to provide actual evidence, though.

But my point from the start was that for mathematically modeled subtractive synth plugins (which is most of them) there is no substantial difference between them for how they generate sound....

But the maths haven't changed. No one has some super-double-secret math that one else has.

And yet different developers have their own implementations and algorithm preferences eg BLEPS vs BLAMs etc.
And yeah, the algorithms, and the optimisations of those algorithms does change.

No, there's really only one way to create a sinewave mathematically.
It looks something like this in C++

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float value = amplitude * sin(2 * double_Pi * frequency * time + phase);

So the only way to create a sinewave mathematically is to use the sine function? That's amusingly recursive, but doesnt necessarily prove that the sine calculation is 'mathematical.'

Plus the sinewave function that a C++ compiler provides, usually the Taylor expansion, isnt that well optimised for audio, so there are hundreds of papers out there on optimising custom sine functions by means of alternate methods.
Lookup tables feature prominently in those alternate methods, btw and have been used in VAs for decades.

[whyterabbyt]

From my experience with several Minimoog emulations (Arturia Mini V, Monark, Diva, Model 72, Legend), I think that none of them really is perfect, and they're all different.

So are all Minimoogs, by now, given that the newest ones will be over 40 years old. How many real devices did you compare to?

[kobal]

From my experience with several Minimoog emulations (Arturia Mini V, Monark, Diva, Model 72, Legend), I think that none of them really is perfect, and they're all different.

So are all Minimoogs, by now, given that the newest ones will be over 40 years old. How many real devices did you compare to?

i think it has been used as a excuse.. if it s in good condition their is probably not much very big difference like in some emulations , i mean i think all emulations are not equal , not as accurate as each others ,some are of higher quality i believe.

you can check also is other mini comparaisons with bigger difference and different emulation qualities, but softube and legend are the 2 best emulations according to his tests