Trent Reznor digs Ohm Force...

[MikeLeuz]

Well, xoxos... I'm not a huge NIN fan, but I know he's an incredible producer/musician. I suppose a lot of people are interested in how he achieves his sounds. That's all.

Also, it's inspiring to know that "major" musicians use some of the same equipment that we can afford, and often discuss here on K-v-R. Yes, he (and his producers) use tons of other gear to process the sound, etc... and yes, it's not the equipment that makes the musician, but it's still something of a new phenomenon. Just a few years ago, there would be very little "pro" equipment that hobbyists (like most of ourselves) could afford. Now, when reading that Trent and others (I tend to pay attention to what Cevin Key uses) mention that they use much of the same software as I do, I know I have no excuse! Instead of listening to NIN, Skinny Puppy, and other bands I enjoy and thinking "well, I COULD do that if I had xyz equipment", now I think "I have all the same building pieces... I have no excuse not to produce similar stuff" and I then fire up my sequencer and go for it. So yeah, for some of us, this is inspiring and it's not just a case of false-idol-worship or tabloid-like-voyeuristic-wankerism.

[xoxos]

No need to get upset over such a thing.

upset? me?? because millions of people want to live vicariously and destructively thru the mass-duplication?

you know, if sniffing the ass is the way to success, what does that say about culture?? dogs do that, man. you fancy me for your heirarch??

eg. how come different people sound good using entirely different tools and techniques? move, do, exist, be, attempt, explore.. that's the grail in your hands.

[Sicklecell666]

If anyone thinks it will make them a better musician or human bieng in general, they're welcome to sniff my ass whenever they fancy..

[CypherOne]

my mum really likes Bombay Sapphire, but strangely no-one gives a f**k.

[xoxos]

it's inspiring to know that "major" musicians use some of the same equipment that we can afford

so now "it's more affordable" to do the same "all this can now be yours" if that's what you need for inspiration ... still thinking inside the box.

jump! it's not far to freedom. that thing on the end of your arm.. use it to search for freeware. might even sound different but somehow.. not bad!!

hell, you might even find somethnig else you can *pay for* (yeah, i can feel your excitement from here) that also makes sounds.

[Sicklecell666]

I like Pizza.

[Kriminal]

my mum really likes Bombay Sapphire, but strangely no-one gives a f**k.

Is she a NIN producer?

[xoxos]

my mum really likes Bombay Sapphire, but strangely no-one gives a f**k.

i think you mean bomb-bay chocolate starfish. and that's what i think.

[MikeLeuz]

No need to get upset over such a thing.

upset? me?? because millions of people want to live vicariously and destructively thru the mass-duplication?

you know, if sniffing the ass is the way to success, what does that say about culture?? dogs do that, man. you fancy me for your heirarch??

eg. how come different people sound good using entirely different tools and techniques? move, do, exist, be, attempt, explore.. that's the grail in your hands.

But knowing how others use tools to do what they do allows you to progress the art even further. The best way to push the envelope is to learn what the envelope is, know how it's been pushed in the past, and then put your own individual creativity into pushing it in entirely new ways.

What cracks me up is that there's literally thousands of threads on K-v-R asking what people here use, yet people are getting bent out of shape when discussing what someone "famous" uses.

[experimental.crow]

my mum really likes Bombay Sapphire, but strangely no-one gives a f**k.

ohhh ...
i like it too !...

but i like plymouth better 'cause that's what Travis McGee drinks ...

[xoxos]

okay, so this "envelope" is a thing that's make out of the sum of.. what?

things that make money?

you have ANY CLUE as to how much good music never got sold or marketed??

look for a bigger envelope.

[CypherOne]

The best way to push the envelope is to learn what the envelope is, know how it's been pushed in the past, and then put your own individual creativity into pushing it in entirely new ways.

you need another hobby, or do you work at the post office?

[MikeLeuz]

okay, so this "envelope" is a thing that's make out of the sum of.. what?

things that make money?

you have ANY CLUE as to how much good music never got sold or marketed??

look for a bigger envelope.

Okay, lets look at it this way...

How much time is spent on KvR discussing what "we" use? What's your fav top 10 vsts, what's your fav top 5 vsts, what you'r workflow, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.

Is "our" music so much better than NIN and others that we're ass-huffers if we pay attention to what they use?

If you don't care what others use, and your too holier-than-thou to care, then what are you doing here in the first place. Log off and go write some music!

[LBN]

The way I see it is it helps to "legitimize" software production tools in the view of a larger audience. Sure, we already know the gospel but there are still lots of heathens out there. I.E. Those who think that VST is only the realm of bedroom musicians, using canned loops and calling themselves "producers." Or that computer production is exclusively the realm of very expensive ProTools rigs. Slowly but surely the word is getting out that gasp you actually can do professional production using only software. When people hear that bands like Kraftwerk or Erasure have gone software only I see it as only a good thing because it's a field that I follow and I want to see it grow and flourish. And if the Ohm Boyz get a bump in sales because Mr Nails drops their name in an interview it's good for all of us. More sales for them means more development of awesome software like Oddity, impOSCar, and the upcoming Minimonster.

[ahja]

No need to get upset over such a thing.

upset? me?? because millions of people want to live vicariously and destructively thru the mass-duplication?

you know, if sniffing the ass is the way to success, what does that say about culture?? dogs do that, man. you fancy me for your heirarch??

eg. how come different people sound good using entirely different tools and techniques? move, do, exist, be, attempt, explore.. that's the grail in your hands.

xoxos.. I think you miss my point. I agree with you. I know when I was a younger musician, in my teens, I was always curious as to what gear was being used out there. And, there is nothing wrong with that... That's how you learn when you are young and eager to figure out 'how it's done'. Someone here may find this information useful...