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Jackqueslack23 · Post by **Jackqueslack23** » Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:23 pm

Just wondering, is there a daw for generative music? I have been quite interested in the concept for a while, especially glitchy generative music.

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:37 pm

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tactile_coast · Post by **tactile_coast** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 1:46 am

Bitwig Studio is built around the concept of generative music, sound design and improvisation. This is an example generative preset built within its integrated modular synth/fx/midi engine 'The Grid' from r/bitwig

Tj Shredder · Post by **Tj Shredder** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:46 pm

There are a few options. Some I would not call a DAW, but if you are interested in generative, it doesn’t need to be:
My first tool for this is Max/MSP. Its brother Pd can do similar things and is open source.
Then as mentioned already Bitwig would be a DAW which can easily be turned into a generative playground.
Usine Hollyhock is also a good place
and another new toy, free and open source is called Bespokesynth…
Some tools you can incorporate into a DAW:
Bidule, Reaktor, VCV etc… (any modular is a candidate…)

Fraggle · Post by **Fraggle** » Wed Mar 16, 2022 12:09 pm

I am not 100% sure if the definition of “generative” music.
If you set up the midi to generate random notes inside a scale , then modulate the note length based on velocity/key track or just random or any shape you design in the modulator - then do the same to note volume , is that ‘generative’ midi ????

mcbpete · Post by **mcbpete** » Wed Mar 16, 2022 12:25 pm

Wotja is marketed as a generative focussed compositional tool and can be routed into pretty much any DAW - https://www.kvraudio.com/product/wotja- ... termorphic
For full on glitchy-generative offerings/freedom, you'd probably be best to sink some (read: 'lots of') time into Max - https://cycling74.com/products/max-features

Rastkovic · Post by **Rastkovic** » Wed Mar 16, 2022 3:11 pm

Jackqueslack23 wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:23 pm Just wondering, is there a daw for generative music? I have been quite interested in the concept for a while, especially glitchy generative music.

Just add a software modular synth (Reaktor, VCV Rack) to a random DAW of your choice.

pierb · Post by **pierb** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 2:56 am

Bitwig is perfect for this.

LivingParadox · Post by **LivingParadox** » Wed Mar 23, 2022 8:08 am

Rastkovic wrote: Wed Mar 16, 2022 3:11 pm
Jackqueslack23 wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:23 pm Just wondering, is there a daw for generative music? I have been quite interested in the concept for a while, especially glitchy generative music.
Just add a software modular synth (Reaktor, VCV Rack) to a random DAW of your choice.

Personally, I much prefer this, although the MIDI inserts are cool in bitwig.

pierb · Post by **pierb** » Wed Mar 23, 2022 3:21 pm

Also check out Freestyle by New Sonic Arts

Andreya_Autumn · Post by **Andreya_Autumn** » Wed Mar 23, 2022 8:58 pm

https://isartum.net/ is free to use, and worth checking out. It's in-browser, but can send out midi to other environments to use VST's etc. It was primarily developed to explore different kinds of tuning systems, but even staying within 12 equal divisions of an octave it's a powerful tool.

iNNeRNoiZe · Post by **iNNeRNoiZe** » Thu Mar 24, 2022 7:12 pm

Reason / Reason Plugin with Lectric Panda rack extensions.

Voltage Modular

duanosforde · Post by **duanosforde** » Sun May 15, 2022 7:10 pm

Bitwig is a good choice. The grid and modulation systems leaves plenty of space for generating randomness in scale, time, etc.

Iconoklast · Post by **Iconoklast** » Tue May 17, 2022 4:41 pm

Generative Music has nothing to do with 'random' parameters, alot of sequencers, DAWs, VST, VSTi have some to alot of random functions...

It's about algos that provide intelligent AI composition on their own...Some you just pick your genre & hit 'GO' like MuTech Automated Composer...

Brian Eno made a couple abums back in the mid-90's using SSEYO Koan Pro, which became 'Intermorphic' with their 'noatiki', 'mixtiki', 'liptiki' & 'buttinski'...they are a DIFFERENT name now...JEEZ, talk about losing that erection...

I found a good FREE one it is 20 years old now called Poodles & Flan - Act 1 it is 32 bit generative music maker & is actually quite good...Still 'GRABBABLE' from the wayback machine-

http://web.archive.org/web/200512161632 ... dflan.com/

Some image-

As seen, nothing 'RANDOM' it's all carefully planned out...For me it created some of the BEST avante-garde Jazz I have ever heard, and I've heard quite a bit...

One thing though if you decide to install-

When installing it tries overwriting a couple OCX DLLs with older versions but like always XP stops it & asks if you wanna keep the OCX you already got cause it's newer...

Just choose 'YES, I WANNA KEEP MY NEWER VERSIONS'...

Done deal no harm......

So as you see not tested in anything other than XP, Your risk....

Boy Wonder · Post by **Boy Wonder** » Wed May 18, 2022 2:07 am

Two of my favourite generative plugins are from CodeFN42. They're called Transition and RandARP. Transition has a bug, though, that only allows one instance to be loaded up, whether you're in Cubase or Studio One. (I don't know if it crashes other DAW's, though). Unfortunately, with only one instance of Transition at a time, you're locked into whatever time (1/8, 1/16, etc) that you've picked. RandARP, fortunately, doesn't crash with multiple instances. I've set up three of them in a 1/1, 1/4 and 1/16 configuration and it worked fine. The RandARP configuration is probably better anyway since you can set the three, or more, arps to three, or more, different sound sources.

Generative DAW???