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LeVzi · Post by **LeVzi** » Fri Mar 18, 2022 7:23 am

Bitwig and Ableton, two peas in a pod that just suit a certain style of writing, but definitely not mine.

jamcat · Post by **jamcat** » Fri Mar 18, 2022 8:53 am

But have you tried Reaper?

pierb · Post by **pierb** » Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:53 pm

BONES wrote: Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:51 pm What I found, though, was that using Bitwig like that made me feel like I was an outlier and that the many little things I found annoying were unlikely to ever be addressed because it isn't how the developers think their product should be used. The upgrade from 2 to 3 tended to vindicate this belief, so I was glad I had moved on by that time.

We're in v4 now I feel exactly the same way about Bitwig.

If you get outside of the modular / generative / sound designy golden path you start hitting all sorts of workflow and UX issues.

Trancit · Post by **Trancit** » Fri Mar 18, 2022 4:38 pm

pierb wrote: Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:53 pm We're in v4 now I feel exactly the same way about Bitwig.

If you get outside of the modular / generative / sound designy golden path you start hitting all sorts of workflow and UX issues.

This is exactly my problem with Bitwig...

If you take all of their modulation system and Grid stuff out of the game (which you can easily replace by 3rd party solutions in a much better quality) there is not much left...

It´s perhaps nice to get this stuff inside natively but after thinking twice I come always to the same conclusion that all of this cannot compensate for tons of shortcomings the Bitwigs don´t seem to bother...

If I want to have a nice kind of instrument it´s a nice option when you like to make compromises...
If you want to have a nice DAW...sorry Bitwig you still have to grow up a lot...

LeVzi · Post by **LeVzi** » Fri Mar 18, 2022 4:47 pm

jamcat wrote: Fri Mar 18, 2022 8:53 am But have you tried Reaper?

There's no need anymore, I have C12

AnX · Post by **AnX** » Fri Mar 18, 2022 5:09 pm

You should at least try it, so you can see what a cluster f**k it is

ls1xxx · Post by **ls1xxx** » Fri Mar 18, 2022 5:37 pm

You know come to think of it that thing is a piece of shit compared to Cubase. And it's only gonna get worse after Fender gets a hold of it!

summer2000 · Post by **summer2000** » Fri Mar 18, 2022 5:55 pm

After having used Cubase Pro beginning with version 10 and now 12, I've gotten real comfortable with its features and workflow. I've decided to stick with it as my primary DAW. I'm in the process of rendering the songs that I made in Reason, Studio One, Reaper, Bitwig, and Cakewalk by Bandlab as track stems to import and complete mixing and mastering them in Cubase. Once I'm done it will just be Cubase (and my AKAI MPC-X) left standing in my studio setup.

syntonica · Post by **syntonica** » Fri Mar 18, 2022 8:31 pm

jamcat wrote: Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:35 pm Just yesterday some guys on bicycles with funny haircuts came to my door with Bitwig pamphlets.
They told me I should come to their Bitwig meetings where they do fun stuff like play beanbag and sing about Bitwig.

I got cookies when I went!

Every DAW has its evangelical types. Even the mention of Reaper has been banned on Motunation.

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Sat Mar 19, 2022 2:58 am

ls1xxx wrote: Fri Mar 18, 2022 5:37 pmYou know come to think of it that thing is a piece of shit compared to Cubase. And it's only gonna get worse after Fender gets a hold of it!

Right, and Cubase has been plain sailing with Yamaha, right? Seriously, that is the jackass comment of the week, even before you take into account how similar the two products are. Honestly, you can't hate one and like the other, because they are far more alike than they are different. Personally, I can use either but Studio One is so much easier that I increasingly find myself questioning why I still bother with Cubase at all.

summer2000 wrote: Fri Mar 18, 2022 5:55 pmAfter having used Cubase Pro beginning with version 10 and now 12, I've gotten real comfortable with its features and workflow. I've decided to stick with it as my primary DAW.

What is is you prefer about Cubase? Because I went from Cubase to Studio One and it felt to me like Studio One was how Cubase should be, how it would be if it wasn't for all the legacy cruft it has accumulated over the decades. Going back to Cubase now, it feels so clunky and convoluted compared to S1. Just simple things like the way you have to customise a toolbar so that you can have a button to take the playhead back to the start of the song. I used Cubase for months, maybe more than a year, before I accidentally found out that I didn't have to move the f**king thing back to the start with the mouse. Little things like that make it feel so out of touch.

_leras · Post by **_leras** » Sat Mar 19, 2022 12:30 pm

Trancit wrote: Fri Mar 18, 2022 4:38 pm
pierb wrote: Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:53 pm We're in v4 now I feel exactly the same way about Bitwig.

If you get outside of the modular / generative / sound designy golden path you start hitting all sorts of workflow and UX issues.
This is exactly my problem with Bitwig...

If you take all of their modulation system and Grid stuff out of the game (which you can easily replace by 3rd party solutions in a much better quality) there is not much left...

It´s perhaps nice to get this stuff inside natively but after thinking twice I come always to the same conclusion that all of this cannot compensate for tons of shortcomings the Bitwigs don´t seem to bother...

I have to totally disagree with this. I don't really use the built in instruments, fx or the grid that much. I really like Bitwig.

For me the workflow is just amazingly quick and smooth. I use a dual screen setup and find the windows setup is really great and just stays out of the way. For creating a piece of music I really find it just stays out of the way and that I just focus on the music itself.

Adding instruments, making fx chains, grouping channels, adding send on channels inside a group. Creating things like utility presets is so easy and quick to use going forwards. You can edit midi in multiple tracks at the same time really easily. Really cool automation, especially the clip based that can use relative and absolute values. Great menu system. All so smooth.

When I do projects in Cubase, even though I have used it for years, it just feels much more clunky during the creative process. It also makes me split my process into creating and mixing.

Bitwig on the other hand makes me lean into more of a mixing as you go kind of process.

I'm really suprised that anyone would complain about the workflow and user interface in Bitwig. Once you get in the Bitwig way of doing things it really great imo.

xbitz · Post by **xbitz** » Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:33 pm

^^^ have you tried to use Bitwig with audio materials, multi drum tracks and quantizing audio with shuffling for ex. ?

( https://bitwish.top/t/audio-quantize/24

)

frankpain · Post by **frankpain** » Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:48 pm

jamcat wrote: Fri Mar 18, 2022 8:53 am But have you tried Reaper?

_leras · Post by **_leras** » Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:45 pm

xbitz wrote: Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:33 pm ^^^ have you tried to use Bitwig with audio materials, multi drum tracks and quantizing audio with shuffling for ex. ?

( https://bitwish.top/t/audio-quantize/24 )

No. I never need to do that sort of thing and would lean to cubase for that or similar multi channel audio processing.

I use Bitwig for mainly electronic music production.

And for me, all the way up to the mixing stage, Bitwig just has better flow.

egbert · Post by **egbert** » Sat Mar 19, 2022 5:01 pm

Why do people bag Reaper? Just the fact that it is there delivering a capable product at 60 bucks or whatever is keeping a lid on price gouging and rampant crippling of other products. It starts in notime flat, can run on any number of machines, and is as stable AF. I have used and beta tested many of the others mentioned here as well but I fire up Reaper at least once a day. I use it as a juke box for playalongs for instrumental practice, as a test platform and for simple projects. I have had innumerable projects crash over the years on all the other major DAWs but Reaper just soldiers on so reliably and is really processor efficient.

Is Studio 1 the only realistic alternative to Cubase ?