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_oswald · Post by **_oswald** » Sat Dec 04, 2004 7:02 am

I can't believe how many people went off-the-rail in this thread. Rolling Stone claimed Trent was the 'King of Industiral'? Who cares? Trent Reznor didn't claim to be the 'king of industrial'. If Rolling Stone called me the 'King of Fartknocking' I'd run with it.

For those of you concerned with originality or paying respects to the founders, Trent has always spoken of his love for Coil. Hell, one of the lads from Coil directed the 'Broken' video. You'd think if they're on good terms that those 'third-party' individuals would be able to accept relations 'eh?

I honestly thought I'd have started a thread congratulating the OhmBoys lads for getting publicity and praise from a celebrity but I apparently opened up a Pandoras Box that brought out the Ego-masturbatory nature of 'high brow' music 'conisseurs' in the audience.

Now I remember why I hate discussing music with musicians...

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Sat Dec 04, 2004 7:06 am

8 pages of free advertising for the Ohmies, cant be bad

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Sat Dec 04, 2004 7:07 am

MikeLeuz wrote:
Sicklecell666 wrote:
dystonia_ek wrote: Maybe to someone who cut their teeth on 'Industrial Culture' (in the Re/Search publications, post-Situationist sense) in the early 1980's, this kind of fake, prepackaged rebellion is more obvious.
Amen. I can dig it to a certain degree, but I can't acknowledge it without recognizing those it cannibalized..

And about that coming soon stuff?

Remember your words, buddy..
Hehe... I'm assuming I'm the one you're referencing to as "buddy". I can only compare to what's currently out there. Get some quality stuff posted and I'll be the first to give out mad respect. Trust me, I would love to hear non-commerical original industrialish-type music, but without traveling to every large and small towns local scenes, I'm kind of stuck with what I can find here in Columbus, out on the Internet, and *gasp* commercially. Without distrubution, art is masterbation (not that there's anything wrong with that).

Columbus where? Georgia? If so, that's my town.

Don't make the assumption I'm simply an industrial musician. The link you scorned is a project between myself & 15 other artists spanning many different styles. If the demo track doesn't convey quality to you, then I don't know what will. As for the site & project's completion, as Dystonia_ek said, there is more to life than the internet, & at the moment I'm paying for placing one too far in front of the other, so Saligia will be ready in due time.

Thankfully, how you rate our work will not be a determining factor in how we feel about it ourselves. All of us have already posted tracks numerous times; if you were intrested in hearing them there are other paths leading to them aside from questioning our bonafides.

ciao, and back to Ohm Force Glory

ouroboros · Post by **ouroboros** » Sat Dec 04, 2004 7:26 am

I am saving for Ohmboyz: the ultimate delay!

missed the group buy, but couldn't afford it anyways. Soon the delay will be mine

CypherOne · Post by **CypherOne** » Sat Dec 04, 2004 8:02 am

_oswald wrote:yada yada yada

Now I remember why I hate discussing music with musicians...

so erm, f**k off then.

drez · Post by **drez** » Sat Dec 04, 2004 9:38 am

I guess we should all have our own individual VST's that way nooooobody can sound the same.

CRAP! VST is a standard placed here by "the man"!

We're doomed!

...but in our own individual way
...together!

If you think that people are now "popular" because they seemingly "bastardize" the music of their influences are stealing, then we should all stop listening to other people's music right now. The media does more for calling people "the king of insert-genre-here" so that they can sell stuff. Most musicians are happy to know that they influenced someones music. Its the ultimate form of flattery...and ego boost!

Everyone HAS to have influences.

If you have never heard any music before you started creating your own and now you STILL only listen to your own stuff, then you are truely "self centralized". And you know what? Your music will probably "suck" because people don't have a "centralized reference" to understand what you are trying to accomplish!

I can go Mic the ground, take a dump on it, record it and call it "revolutionary music" because "nobody has done it" and I'm "thinking outside the box", but that doesn't make it good music.

Besides, I've just grouped it into one GIANT category....music. How "general populous of me".

To me, take the tools that everyone uses and make them sound how you want, and NOW you have something. My stuff sounds like other peooples stuff. But I LIKE those other peoples stuff, so I can sleep at night.

Nice job Ohmies! You people think outside of the box and do it with a quality that is inspiring. Keep it up.

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Sat Dec 04, 2004 10:31 am

xoxos wrote:not that i'm overly familiar with nin, but wasn't most of that shit kinda sorta ANTI authority????

Er.. no.. it wasn't, and what is your beef with anti-authority stuff? Are you American??

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Sat Dec 04, 2004 10:36 am

Revolutionary... hmmmm...

Pierre Henry, Karlheinz Stockhausen, Arnold Schonberg, Pierre Schaeffer, J.S Bach, Pierre Boulez...

NiN aren't revolutionary, but neither are a lot of artists post 1940. I find them enjoyable, but they're not revolutionary.

MikeLeuz · Post by **MikeLeuz** » Sat Dec 04, 2004 2:05 pm

Sicklecell666 wrote:
MikeLeuz wrote:
Sicklecell666 wrote:
dystonia_ek wrote: Maybe to someone who cut their teeth on 'Industrial Culture' (in the Re/Search publications, post-Situationist sense) in the early 1980's, this kind of fake, prepackaged rebellion is more obvious.
Amen. I can dig it to a certain degree, but I can't acknowledge it without recognizing those it cannibalized..

And about that coming soon stuff?

Remember your words, buddy..
Hehe... I'm assuming I'm the one you're referencing to as "buddy". I can only compare to what's currently out there. Get some quality stuff posted and I'll be the first to give out mad respect. Trust me, I would love to hear non-commerical original industrialish-type music, but without traveling to every large and small towns local scenes, I'm kind of stuck with what I can find here in Columbus, out on the Internet, and *gasp* commercially. Without distrubution, art is masterbation (not that there's anything wrong with that).
Columbus where? Georgia? If so, that's my town.

Don't make the assumption I'm simply an industrial musician. The link you scorned is a project between myself & 15 other artists spanning many different styles. If the demo track doesn't convey quality to you, then I don't know what will. As for the site & project's completion, as Dystonia_ek said, there is more to life than the internet, & at the moment I'm paying for placing one too far in front of the other, so Saligia will be ready in due time.

Thankfully, how you rate our work will not be a determining factor in how we feel about it ourselves. All of us have already posted tracks numerous times; if you were intrested in hearing them there are other paths leading to them aside from questioning our bonafides.

ciao, and back to Ohm Force Glory

Columbus, Ohio.

And like you said, we should give this thread back to Ohm Force Glory. But just real quick, again your assuming way too much. I would sincerely hope that my "rating" would not influence you, my comment was just a response to your "remember those words" comment. And there's no scorn, I just want to hear some stuff before I give value to the insinuations that there's stuff out there magnatudes better than what Trent does.

Your right about posting prev tracks, I'm bad at not giving enough attention to KvR music postings... heading towards the cafe right now.

And now, back to your regularly scheduled program....

origami · Post by **origami** » Sat Dec 04, 2004 2:09 pm

I've never understood the criticism on NIN from the industrial fans. I foir example like Skinny Puppy a lot, it's one of my favourite bands and I like it even better than NIN, but I also think NIN is great. Sometimes what I think is that some people can't accept somneone's success. NIN has had success worldwide, what's the problem? It's logical, his music still retain a pop spirit. and...?

visa tapani · Post by **visa tapani** » Sat Dec 04, 2004 2:45 pm

ouroboros wrote:
kindlingmania wrote: the fact is, if you know what you're doing you can make great sounding stuff with just about anything. m3rk records is one of my favorite labels and all they use are trackers.
Is that true? I really love some of the stuff there. First found out by listening to Sense: does he use trackers? -never imagined it!

No, it's not true.

tetraplan · Post by **tetraplan** » Sat Dec 04, 2004 2:48 pm

origami wrote:I've never understood the criticism on NIN from the industrial fans. I foir example like Skinny Puppy a lot, it's one of my favourite bands and I like it even better than NIN, but I also think NIN is great. Sometimes what I think is that some people can't accept somneone's success. NIN has had success worldwide, what's the problem? It's logical, his music still retain a pop spirit. and...?

It may have to do with the origins of Industrial (look into the history of Throbbing Gristle, read interviews with the members, &c.) and it's attitude to pop-music.

Groet, Erik

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Sat Dec 04, 2004 3:06 pm

I wonder how many ppl here have ever heard of the Modern Primitives reSearch book..

origami · Post by **origami** » Sat Dec 04, 2004 3:09 pm

well I've been listening to industrial music for more than 15 years now an I know the origin
s. but my attitude is: genres are made to be broken. NIN merged the industrial and pop. good for him.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Sat Dec 04, 2004 4:55 pm

Sicklecell666 quoth I wonder how many ppl here have ever heard of the Modern Primitives reSearch book..

Well you already know I've got it

Trent Reznor digs Ohm Force...