UVI Falcon - v4 = 2026 released - rumors, ads, praise, kindergarden, auto-sampling and off-topic inside!
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- KVRian
- 1478 posts since 2 Mar, 2005
In regards to MIDI Mapping & saving all assignments to each library, something user friendly is desperately needed.
I understand the topology is different vs Kontakt because Falcon is modular, but at this point in Falcon’s development something similar to snapshots in Kontakt is a must. There is a good portion of the user base who doesn’t just want to design sounds but use Falcon as a instrument.
Vintage Vault 4 has over 14,000 presets. It would be short sited to expect a user to midi map each individual preset. Some of us really just want to map a control on the ui and play/automate. Versus coming up with new libraries, maybe UVI should look at the user experience for the current libraries it has and improve upon it. Like it or not, you guys are in workstation territory (UVI libraries are that good!). Making things easier is a sure sign that more users would upgrade & buy more libraries. Outside of the Falcon specific libraries, most of them use the same paradigm anyways.
I understand the topology is different vs Kontakt because Falcon is modular, but at this point in Falcon’s development something similar to snapshots in Kontakt is a must. There is a good portion of the user base who doesn’t just want to design sounds but use Falcon as a instrument.
Vintage Vault 4 has over 14,000 presets. It would be short sited to expect a user to midi map each individual preset. Some of us really just want to map a control on the ui and play/automate. Versus coming up with new libraries, maybe UVI should look at the user experience for the current libraries it has and improve upon it. Like it or not, you guys are in workstation territory (UVI libraries are that good!). Making things easier is a sure sign that more users would upgrade & buy more libraries. Outside of the Falcon specific libraries, most of them use the same paradigm anyways.
I read more than post = I listen more than I talk
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- KVRian
- 1478 posts since 2 Mar, 2005
Ex: My favorite libraries for Falcon/UVI Workstation are UsQ-1 & Urban X. Mostly because when I choose to MIDI map and then change a preset all of the settings remain & if I want to keep that I can just save the mapping of a an init patch as a preset. Each time I use it now, I don’t have to rewire everything.
Looking over the libraries available, Im pretty sure these are these are the only 2 with that capability. Maybe it’s because their internal structure of samples is smaller & the user only needs 1 main preset. But for things with more detailed samples like Emulator library, where the multi sampling is deeper, it poses a whole different problem . This is where a midi map can be useful. Im not saying these libraries need a conplete overhaul, that would be madness. But an additional button or dropdown in the parts list that could bring up a separate midi map file would be helpful.
Looking over the libraries available, Im pretty sure these are these are the only 2 with that capability. Maybe it’s because their internal structure of samples is smaller & the user only needs 1 main preset. But for things with more detailed samples like Emulator library, where the multi sampling is deeper, it poses a whole different problem . This is where a midi map can be useful. Im not saying these libraries need a conplete overhaul, that would be madness. But an additional button or dropdown in the parts list that could bring up a separate midi map file would be helpful.
I read more than post = I listen more than I talk
- KVRAF
- 24403 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
MIDI learn issue is a really complicated one indeed. It's also the case in other samplers, like Kontakt and Halion - you do need to MIDI learn each individual patch, exactly because their structure can vary wildly internally.
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- KVRist
- 205 posts since 8 Dec, 2006 from Germany
UVI Portal shows me the update to Falcon 2.5.4 but after downloading the installation does not start.
Anyone else has the same issue?
I am on Windows 11.
Anyone else has the same issue?
I am on Windows 11.
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- KVRAF
- 2481 posts since 28 Mar, 2005
only OSX is online yet. Windows version coming later in the day.emulator01 wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 3:40 pm UVI Portal shows me the update to Falcon 2.5.4 but after downloading the installation does not start.
Anyone else has the same issue?
I am on Windows 11.
- KVRian
- 873 posts since 9 Jun, 2020
- KVRAF
- 2397 posts since 9 Jan, 2014 from Worldwide
Interested to know too.
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- KVRAF
- 2481 posts since 28 Mar, 2005
Falcon 2.5.4
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- Add VST3 version
- Fix REX support on ARM
- Fix possible stuck note related to pedal handling in some sequencing script
- Some ARM based optimization
- Fix possible crash related to UI
- Fix song position trigger mode in Parametric LFO
- Other minor fixes
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- Add VST3 version
- Fix REX support on ARM
- Fix possible stuck note related to pedal handling in some sequencing script
- Some ARM based optimization
- Fix possible crash related to UI
- Fix song position trigger mode in Parametric LFO
- Other minor fixes
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machinesworking machinesworking https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=8505
- KVRAF
- 7973 posts since 15 Aug, 2003 from seattle
Just a thought, but without any drama, what sampler loads libraries faster than Kontakt and Falcon, since people seem to think they're slow, it would make one believe that other samplers are fast right?
To be fair, it's pretty whack that a 400MB/s SSD can load a Kontakt library at the same speed as a 1500MB/s SSD. Someone pointed this out to me, and I have an old copy of KH Concert Strings II on both those drives, and the external 400MB/s drive loads CS II just as fast as the 1500MB/s internal M.2 drive.
I have not tested my larger UVI libraries in Falcon, since it would require multiple instals.
To be fair, it's pretty whack that a 400MB/s SSD can load a Kontakt library at the same speed as a 1500MB/s SSD. Someone pointed this out to me, and I have an old copy of KH Concert Strings II on both those drives, and the external 400MB/s drive loads CS II just as fast as the 1500MB/s internal M.2 drive.
I have not tested my larger UVI libraries in Falcon, since it would require multiple instals.
- KVRian
- 643 posts since 28 Oct, 2010
SSDs are not very fast when reading many small files.machinesworking wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:13 pm To be fair, it's pretty whack that a 400MB/s SSD can load a Kontakt library at the same speed as a 1500MB/s SSD. Someone pointed this out to me, and I have an old copy of KH Concert Strings II on both those drives, and the external 400MB/s drive loads CS II just as fast as the 1500MB/s internal M.2 drive.
When you say 400MB/s vs 1500MB/s that's only the theoretical max speed when doing sequential reads of large files.
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machinesworking machinesworking https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=8505
- KVRAF
- 7973 posts since 15 Aug, 2003 from seattle
That was gone over in the thread at V-Control about this that had me test this in the first place. With these particular drives it's also true that the theoretical small file read speed is twice as fast with the faster large file read drive. So I'm betting that Kontakt is using CPU and/or RAM while loading and since that's the same I get similar results.pierb wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:22 pmSSDs are not very fast when reading many small files.machinesworking wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:13 pm To be fair, it's pretty whack that a 400MB/s SSD can load a Kontakt library at the same speed as a 1500MB/s SSD. Someone pointed this out to me, and I have an old copy of KH Concert Strings II on both those drives, and the external 400MB/s drive loads CS II just as fast as the 1500MB/s internal M.2 drive.
When you say 400MB/s vs 1500MB/s that's only the theoretical max speed when doing sequential reads of large files.
- KVRAF
- 24403 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
No, Kontakt is not using large queue depths that would utilize SSDs better (look at any benchmark, QD32 speeds are much faster than QD1 speeds, and Kontakt is basically using QD1).
- KVRian
- 643 posts since 28 Oct, 2010
LOL I was in that thread at VIC too.machinesworking wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:46 pm That was gone over in the thread at V-Control about this that had me test this in the first place. With these particular drives it's also true that the theoretical small file read speed is twice as fast with the faster large file read drive. So I'm betting that Kontakt is using CPU and/or RAM while loading and since that's the same I get similar results.![]()
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- KVRAF
- 2481 posts since 28 Mar, 2005
make sure to bench this the first time you are loading those file or use sudo purgemachinesworking wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:13 pm Just a thought, but without any drama, what sampler loads libraries faster than Kontakt and Falcon, since people seem to think they're slow, it would make one believe that other samplers are fast right?
To be fair, it's pretty whack that a 400MB/s SSD can load a Kontakt library at the same speed as a 1500MB/s SSD. Someone pointed this out to me, and I have an old copy of KH Concert Strings II on both those drives, and the external 400MB/s drive loads CS II just as fast as the 1500MB/s internal M.2 drive.
I have not tested my larger UVI libraries in Falcon, since it would require multiple instals.
otherwise the file may already be cached by the os
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machinesworking machinesworking https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=8505
- KVRAF
- 7973 posts since 15 Aug, 2003 from seattle
Yeah that's an issue isn't it? Kontakt isn't keeping up with tech etc. but like I mentioned they don't have any competition really. Whose doing it better? Probably a company making their own sample library proprietary plug in can tweak it for that specific library, or at least it seems like they should be able to.EvilDragon wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 12:09 am No, Kontakt is not using large queue depths that would utilize SSDs better (look at any benchmark, QD32 speeds are much faster than QD1 speeds, and Kontakt is basically using QD1).
