Reason Rack Standalone
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- KVRAF
- 5112 posts since 5 May, 2005 from Stockholm, Sweden
I use Reason 11 Intro (rack in FL Studio). It's pretty much the full version of the first few releases of Reason back in the early to mid 2000s.
All I want is a HD version of that. (Reason 12 Intro?) It's not likely.
They want everyone to subscribe but I have no interest in paying monthly fees for software or in paying €400 for HD graphics, a couple of added devices and slightly larger sound banks in the full version.
I am stuck with the tiny interface of 11 Intro forever.
All I want is a HD version of that. (Reason 12 Intro?) It's not likely.
They want everyone to subscribe but I have no interest in paying monthly fees for software or in paying €400 for HD graphics, a couple of added devices and slightly larger sound banks in the full version.
I am stuck with the tiny interface of 11 Intro forever.
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- KVRian
- 1478 posts since 2 Mar, 2005
I agree with Lotus2035. I got Reason Intro and I was super excited as this was my first introduction into the Reason universe. It had that rack and I was instantly interested in going the player route. The upgrade prices were always high so I was waiting for a good time to get into Reason 11 with a sale.
Reason 12 comes out, drops Intro, Lite & Suite & starts pushing subscription heavy. I understand the move from their end because it constantly brings in revenue. But I’m in the business of “me” and I don’t do subscription services for music equipment. Even for samples, so the Reason+ is of no interest to me ever in the slightest. Even for a $1 introduction, because having my projects in somethinng temporary doesn’t sit well with me. The upgrade path to Reason 12 is high considering I’ll just be using the rack and the players. For $300, I could use that in other places.
That being said, It sucks that Im stuck with a smaller interface but it’s manageable. But I have lots of other tools (like IK Mixbox) that work similarly. I could easily purchase Blue Cat Patchwork for $80 and have a similar process. Definitely not like the rack, but along the same lines.
Reason 12 comes out, drops Intro, Lite & Suite & starts pushing subscription heavy. I understand the move from their end because it constantly brings in revenue. But I’m in the business of “me” and I don’t do subscription services for music equipment. Even for samples, so the Reason+ is of no interest to me ever in the slightest. Even for a $1 introduction, because having my projects in somethinng temporary doesn’t sit well with me. The upgrade path to Reason 12 is high considering I’ll just be using the rack and the players. For $300, I could use that in other places.
That being said, It sucks that Im stuck with a smaller interface but it’s manageable. But I have lots of other tools (like IK Mixbox) that work similarly. I could easily purchase Blue Cat Patchwork for $80 and have a similar process. Definitely not like the rack, but along the same lines.
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- KVRAF
- 35677 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
Instrument wise, it's much more than that.lotus2035 wrote: Fri Apr 01, 2022 4:41 pm I use Reason 11 Intro (rack in FL Studio). It's pretty much the full version of the first few releases of Reason back in the early to mid 2000s.
The full versions of that time didn't have a 16 track limit though. Nonetheless, Intro 11 is a very nice offer. I have it too.
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- KVRian
- 679 posts since 29 Dec, 2019
Intro was amazing because it gave a nice set of Synths, Samplers and a couple of players in a cheap package, and you could bolt it onto anything. People using DAWs that don't have a ton of synths or samplers got some nice one for $99 with Reason Intro, including Europa and Kong. Some of them were quite old, but they were better than what some DAWs bundled.
IMO, it was the perfect add-on for people getting into production using DAWs like Pro Tools, Samplitude Pro X, REAPER or Cakewalk by BandLab.
It also allowed them to further monetize those users by selling players and instruments to them. However, they paid this back due to the fact that Intro was likely cannibalizing Standard and Suite to a non-ignorable extent, as people getting it were viewing Reason as a platform and not as a production environment. People are sometimes easy to get to "overinvest" in "more than they need." However, if you get them to invest in "just enough for them," it is difficult to get them to invest further as they now know the boundaries of their needs...
Lite simply didn't have enough to make it attractive, and I'd the conversion rate from that SKU was pretty pathetic. You installed it, realized there was almost nothing worth caring about, and moved on. It was a far worse "taster" than Komplete Start is.
Reason Intro was *too good*, however, and the Rack Plug-in is why... The rack plug-in ignores track limitations in the Reason Intro Sequencer, and most people using it for the Rack didn't care about the FX. It was all about the devices: Instruments and Players, and the set that Intro shipped with was too good for the price tag when those limitations were zeroed out of consideration.
For people who view Reason as a platform for instruments/device (people who aren't going to be using Reason as a DAW), it also was good enough to get them to buy into it, but didn't leave enough room to urge them to invest further. So, the platform was advantageous and not at the same time. The people who got Reason Intro for $99 were not going to just buy Players and additional Instruments for $69-150 willy nilly.
In any case, the device package for Reason Intro was designed for a standalone DAW with Track/FX/etc. limitations that would urge users to move up the SKU ladder. Because the Rack is effectively SKU-less, it's broke their product ladder.
Reason Suite had to go becasue it was far too much and Reason Studios wanted a way to monetize ALL of their users beyond periodic sales of instruments or players. They wanted something similar to PreSonus Sphere, where people who own perpetual Studio One Professional still subscribe for those useless Loop Libraries. The only way to create enough "space" between Reason and Reason+ was to get rid of the Reason Suite SKU.
The same way they got rid of Intro to stop cannibalizing Reason Standard.
And the price increase was just a wink and nod to their current and prospective users.
Almost got Reason 11 Intro, but when I tried the Lite Rack plug-in they released an update that broke it in my DAW (it wouldn't show up/scan properly anymore). Support was terrible and I decided they didn't exist to me anymore
IMO, it was the perfect add-on for people getting into production using DAWs like Pro Tools, Samplitude Pro X, REAPER or Cakewalk by BandLab.
It also allowed them to further monetize those users by selling players and instruments to them. However, they paid this back due to the fact that Intro was likely cannibalizing Standard and Suite to a non-ignorable extent, as people getting it were viewing Reason as a platform and not as a production environment. People are sometimes easy to get to "overinvest" in "more than they need." However, if you get them to invest in "just enough for them," it is difficult to get them to invest further as they now know the boundaries of their needs...
Lite simply didn't have enough to make it attractive, and I'd the conversion rate from that SKU was pretty pathetic. You installed it, realized there was almost nothing worth caring about, and moved on. It was a far worse "taster" than Komplete Start is.
Reason Intro was *too good*, however, and the Rack Plug-in is why... The rack plug-in ignores track limitations in the Reason Intro Sequencer, and most people using it for the Rack didn't care about the FX. It was all about the devices: Instruments and Players, and the set that Intro shipped with was too good for the price tag when those limitations were zeroed out of consideration.
For people who view Reason as a platform for instruments/device (people who aren't going to be using Reason as a DAW), it also was good enough to get them to buy into it, but didn't leave enough room to urge them to invest further. So, the platform was advantageous and not at the same time. The people who got Reason Intro for $99 were not going to just buy Players and additional Instruments for $69-150 willy nilly.
In any case, the device package for Reason Intro was designed for a standalone DAW with Track/FX/etc. limitations that would urge users to move up the SKU ladder. Because the Rack is effectively SKU-less, it's broke their product ladder.
Reason Suite had to go becasue it was far too much and Reason Studios wanted a way to monetize ALL of their users beyond periodic sales of instruments or players. They wanted something similar to PreSonus Sphere, where people who own perpetual Studio One Professional still subscribe for those useless Loop Libraries. The only way to create enough "space" between Reason and Reason+ was to get rid of the Reason Suite SKU.
The same way they got rid of Intro to stop cannibalizing Reason Standard.
And the price increase was just a wink and nod to their current and prospective users.
Almost got Reason 11 Intro, but when I tried the Lite Rack plug-in they released an update that broke it in my DAW (it wouldn't show up/scan properly anymore). Support was terrible and I decided they didn't exist to me anymore
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- KVRist
- 402 posts since 4 Jun, 2010
The rack plugin is great in Reaper.
I struggle with routing in REason so just use the rack plug in as a rompler or FX unit.
My mind can't handle the cables and multitude of sockets which half I don't understand.
Reason has the worst tutorials of all the DAWs available.
P.S. I should apologise to Reason as I carried on in another threadabout not getting the new vocoder to work when there were ALREADY combinators which ready made patchesfo the vocoder ,one for it's internal synth and also for an external synth routed from the vocoder.
I really should have showed some restraint in my comments and looked for these patches in the first place,sorry to the Reason team.
Just ignore my rash comments above,I am my own worst enemy sometimes lol.
I did find some cool tuts on you tube,TY.
I struggle with routing in REason so just use the rack plug in as a rompler or FX unit.
My mind can't handle the cables and multitude of sockets which half I don't understand.
Reason has the worst tutorials of all the DAWs available.
P.S. I should apologise to Reason as I carried on in another threadabout not getting the new vocoder to work when there were ALREADY combinators which ready made patchesfo the vocoder ,one for it's internal synth and also for an external synth routed from the vocoder.
I really should have showed some restraint in my comments and looked for these patches in the first place,sorry to the Reason team.
Just ignore my rash comments above,I am my own worst enemy sometimes lol.
I did find some cool tuts on you tube,TY.