Trent Reznor digs Ohm Force...

[Sicklecell666]

Sicklecell666 quoth I wonder how many ppl here have ever heard of the Modern Primitives reSearch book..

Well you already know I've got it

Salud!

Again, I appreciate the attention that Ohm Force has recieved over this, but I can't arrest the gag reflex I get considering the inverse relationship attached to NIN's influences & credit to those early pioneers who laid the foundation..

Power to Ohm Force, though, seriously. I'm just one of those guys who remembers bands like Nirvana for Bleach instead of the self-titled follow-up..In my eyes, once an artist is accepted by a certain amount of people, it's time to change the formula as the recipe has become grossly homogenized..

That's just me. I don't prefer my food or musical culture to be pre-digested..

later,

[topaz]

10 pages and counting

and I have no idea who Trent Reznor is.

great for ohmies for sure.

Marcus Miller plays a Fender Jazz Bass by the way.

[phatty]

...im speechless by this thread....almost

To everyone dissing trent for copying all the old indu bands...get off yourself you elitist sobs

and i also think the nerve that trent brings into his songs with his voice is what seperates him from others in the genre. like Hurt...i certainly have never heard a better song live.

[xander]

Personally, I am really interested in anything TR has to say about the tools/sounds/plugins he uses, as long as he really did say these things and really does use them.

Interesting to note for me was Live and 'tope's Trash on his list.

[xoxos]

I have to find out what books HE reads

the western lands trilogy, about 7 times in a row, years ago.. haven't read books in years

i like to see people come up, but the format holds others back, which isn't right.

is success based on skill/merit??

eg. that new snoop video has some guy dancing around with a minikorg or something.. what is that??!!

leary, people.. "the medium is the message"

it's SOMETHING TO BUY. trent. ohmforce.

now. i like to see people come up...

and sure, 'pretty hate machine' is imo very calculated market material, with buckets of application. he nailed it.. (eg. industrial music with "she's my cherry pie" lyrics, but you're lost if you don't remember the radio mileu then) ohmforce obviously have some skills. great! fantastic! they please people. but again, they're quite calculated in their effort to make commercial products.

i like to see people come up..

..but let's evolve the format! i don't see no "spoonboiler uses synthedit!" headlines.

i know a hiphop producer 'double o.g.' who has so much musical affinity.. weeell.. if you could see, you'd see that he's spiritually appointed :p (eg. "i am a nut of course because you have no clue")

at the spice awards quincy jones is all "and there are these double o.g.s trying to come up, but there will always be triple gs.."

in other words, eg. our local hiphop station is locked down. they don't want g's music because of his memetics.. shit that people don't see/don't think about.. if you go around promoting creativity and independent thought et al. like g does, you suddenly lose your radio market... if you want to come up, you got to tip your hat.. talk about some bitches and some gold and cars, shit that people 'buy'

this shit is all about power. it's not about sounds that people like, it's strictly social control, political power.

that's why trent is up there, that's why snoop is up there.

it's something to buy, and.. the medium is the message.

yes, ohmforce bought into the 'something to buy' party. yes, we're all living in a controlled culture where you have to find some sustenance derived from what others want, eg. we all gotta make a living, so "who can be culpable for trying to come up??"

then you get into moles, "our guy up there in the majors" but i tell you, third time, the medium is the message...

..and that message needs to be disrupted. if you don't see why, me saying shit on a webpage isn't gonig to have a helluva lot of effect, all at once..

so stick around. this is not the only way to live.

[Muff Wiggler]

it was McLuhan, not Leary

[shamann]

Indeed, Leary was Tune in, Turn on, Drop out. Not quite as catchy as Veni Vidi Vici, but what are you going to do.

Funny thing about Leary, from what I can tell, all his talk of sidestepping the machine and moving on up was a crock. Mumbo Jumbo to bed the young people with. They made him a guru for that shit.

As for NIN, if you like them, more power to you, but nowt wrong with accepting the way things are. You can still like any old crap even if you know it's crap.

Cheers,
Steve

[Muff Wiggler]

actually, no, leary was

'i'm an asshole, e o e o e o e o

i'm an asshole, e o e o e o e o e o e o'



(ok, only kidding, i know the difference between Tim and Dennis)

[dystonia_ek]

I've never understood the criticism on NIN from the industrial fans. I foir example like Skinny Puppy a lot, it's one of my favourite bands and I like it even better than NIN, but I also think NIN is great. Sometimes what I think is that some people can't accept somneone's success. NIN has had success worldwide, what's the problem? It's logical, his music still retain a pop spirit. and...?

Industrial music (which really more or less invalidated it's conceptual raison d'etre before the middle of the 80's) had little to do with pop spirit, and when it did it was to subversive ends.

[mr.me]

...im speechless by this thread....almost

To everyone dissing trent for copying all the old indu bands...get off yourself you elitist sobs

and i also think the nerve that trent brings into his songs with his voice is what seperates him from others in the genre. like Hurt...i certainly have never heard a better song live.

I've been to alot of concerts, the best were NIN and Primus....and Roger Waters. Very halucinogenic.

[McLilith]

I've been to alot of concerts, the best were NIN and Primus....and Roger Waters. Very halucinogenic.

The combination of those three would make an interesting show.


McLilith

[Lawnmower Of The Damned]

There's so much egotistical masturbation in this thread that I think all of KVR needs a new keyboard...

Dude 1: I'm so underground that the local indy station won't play my stuff!
Dude 2: Yeah? Well I'm so underground that the IUMA won't even host my mp3s!
Dude 1: I'm so underground that even my friends don't like my music!
Dude 3: I'm so f**king underground that even I don't like my music!

So we're supposed to be under the impression that you are better than everyone else because you are an "underground musician"? Quite frankly, I don't think there's anything special about being underground.

If anything, the whole "underground scene" has creating so much snobbery and elitism that we are worse than the millionaires who we complain about. Believe it or not, music is not made bad because people listen to it. Music is also not made good because no one listens to it.

If you want to know why mainstream music is so much more widely listened to, then I'll tell you: It's better produced.

Consider this choice:

A) You can hear a song that is uninspired and mass-produced, but well mixed and only 3 minutes long.

B) You can listen to a brilliant song, but the mixing will be so shoddy that you can't tell what the singer is saying and the over-boosted bass will ruin your speakers. The lyrics will be so cheesy that you will laugh, and there will be a piano sample that is so awful that you will swear that it is just a general midi piano sound. Oh, and the song will be 19 minutes long.

For the most part, underground bands have really bad mixing and recording (Not their fault, they are recording into a $500 audio card, as opposed to a $250,000 audio desk with $100,000 in Pro Tools equipment), and the lyrics are usually bad teenage poetry. But, our songs are like our children. In other words, ugly as hell, but we don't notice because they are our babies.

Believe it or not, but bad mixing isn't just a tiny little detriment to a song, it's a huge fricking deal that can really ruin a good song. But, we either don't care, don't know how to fix it, or don't have the money to buy the equipment to fix it.

Cheesy lyrics are everywhere, I should know. I've written a good number of them myself (Fortunately I've been kind enough to only release instrumentals to the public).

Our music is produced on home computers with a few thousand dollars worth of gear added on to try to make up for all of the flaws in this system. We don't have the expert producers or mastering labs. We don't have a team of guys checking our audio and making sure it is nearly flawless.

None of those things are our fault, but they do make our music less listenable than commercially produced stuff. It's important to remember that bad mixing doesn't sound so bad if you listen to enough of it, but the general public has no intention of sitting through enough bad mixing to adjust.

So there you have it, by rejecting the system because it is elitist and makes bad music, you have officially joined an elitist system that produces bad music.

Oh, and cool on Ohms for getting some recognition.

[Cyprus]

There sure are a lot of haters in this world.

As soon as somebody signs a deal with "the man" every conforming non-conformist comes out of the woodwork and says "he sucks!". If there are any other factors besides the music itself that cause you to dislike or like the music, then you're a sheepish fool.

Most people here would LOVE for even ONE person to listen to their music repeatedly on a purely musical level, let alone millions of people. I'm not a NIN fan, but I respect Rezner as a musician and a songwriter, and I'm happy for his success. As somebody that's fairly new to the producing game, I want to know what equipment/software people are using, and obviously the opinion of those that are successful at what they do means more than the opinion of some anonymous person on a message board.

[deastman]

(Couldn't be bothered to read the whole thread...)

I like Ohm Force products, and am therefore happy to see them getting some free promotion.

I liked Pretty Hate Machine better than the later NIN albums. Trent says it was commercial pop trash, and it does sound fairly accessible by todays standards. He went on tour with a full band to promote that CD, and in the process developed his harder, somewhat more guitar-oriented sound, resulting in a sort of "f**k the system! I'm gonna write music which is hard as hell, and not sell out like on the first CD" attitude. Ironically, this appealed to the masses much more than PHM ever did, eventually culminating in the Woodstock performance which fully launched him into superstardom. So by preferring Pretty Hate Machine, am I a pop sellout, or an elitest snob?

I've seen pictures of Trents studio, and my first thought is always "Why does he need so much gear to write music which sounds like a cheap guitar running through a shitty distortion plugin?" Just like I've seen pictures of Hans Zimmers studio, with a wall of Doepfer modules 10x bigger than what I've got, and he uses it for what- arranging orchestral soundtracks? Or that guy from Ace of Bass, who uses his vast collection of vintage synths to write shitty songs which sound like they were all recorded on a Korg M1.

Sure, NIN may be a commercial sellout compared to Einsterzende Neubaten (oh wait, the latest CD was kinda mainstream pop, wasn't it?) but it still retains a lot of integrity when compared to, say, Britney Spears. After all, just like Trent I think most of us would like other people to hear our music eventually.

Also, when I die, I want my tombstone to read "He was a good consumer."

[jebudas]

I think I can end this thread...

xoxos, what vst's do you use?