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Jazz Franco · Post by **Jazz Franco** » Sat Dec 04, 2004 7:53 pm

Just pure curiosity--everyone know it is illegal to use samples of other's music without permission, but is this the same for scratching?
On one hand, when scratching one uses the LP as physical object, on the other the scratch still contains the copyrighted sound/music content. Can smb clear this out?
Thanx in advance.

John Vulich · Post by **John Vulich** » Sat Dec 04, 2004 7:56 pm

Scratching should be illegal for other reasons.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sat Dec 04, 2004 7:56 pm

topic-is scratching legal

depends where the itch is

as long as the scratches dont contain any recognisable sounds id say your ok?

Stupid American Pig · Post by **Stupid American Pig** » Sat Dec 04, 2004 8:26 pm

its a sample and as such needs to be cleared, unless you modify it beyond recognition, but then you are on shaky ground...

nool · Post by **nool** » Sat Dec 04, 2004 8:31 pm

JohnVulich wrote:Scratching should be illegal for other reasons.

oh please

[decipher] · Post by **[decipher]** » Sat Dec 04, 2004 8:36 pm

you could stick to records that are specially made for skratching. i for myself dont like the harsh attitude towards sampling because i also use skratching to create whole new songs and therefore kinda mangle samples and play them via my musical instrument (the turntable and mixer)...
dirtstyle records are lovely skratchrecords with all those typical noises, speech samples, endless tones, drums and stuff on them for you to create music with.

(one should check out kid koalas music - tracks like fender bender. using the turntable as a sampler _and_ foremost as a real musical instrument... )

cbit · Post by **cbit** » Sat Dec 04, 2004 8:43 pm

scratch records: if you use samples from these in tracks.. could you be required to pay royalties?

John Vulich · Post by **John Vulich** » Sat Dec 04, 2004 8:47 pm

nool wrote:
JohnVulich wrote:Scratching should be illegal for other reasons.
oh please

Sorry, don't you have a sense of humor? Maybe I should have used a smiley.

thenumber23 · Post by **thenumber23** » Sat Dec 04, 2004 8:52 pm

EDIT: I'm removing my post until I can back it up with hard facts.

crazed one · Post by **crazed one** » Sat Dec 04, 2004 9:18 pm

thenumber23 wrote:EDIT: I'm removing my post until I can back it up with hard facts.

Good idea.

thehumanPlugin · Post by **thehumanPlugin** » Sat Dec 04, 2004 9:50 pm

cbit wrote:scratch records: if you use samples from these in tracks.. could you be required to pay royalties?

Actually most scratch records are illegal. They are released by very small labels and they don't clear the samples on them. Most of the "standard" scratch sounds are illegal and have never been cleared - I have a scratch record with "come together" and "iron man"... and you know they are not cleared

Jazz Franco · Post by **Jazz Franco** » Sat Dec 04, 2004 10:07 pm

Hmmm
So what's the point of using some special "scratch records" then, I wonder

Sepheritoh · Post by **Sepheritoh** » Sat Dec 04, 2004 10:27 pm

It always amazes me how any post about "Is warez legal" get locked before the 3rd reply, but posts about stealing samples or music are allowed to continue.

[decipher] · Post by **[decipher]** » Sat Dec 04, 2004 10:49 pm

so what about all those well sponsored worldwide dj battles with all the promition and dvd sales and marketing and stuff? all the turntablists there use records. old ones, skratch records and the like and no one says a word about its being illegal. or listen to dj shadows endtroducing lp. is he a musical sampling genius or just a stupid thief? i dont think sampling nor skratching with not cleared records is illegal. its just a way of making music... yeah yeah.. dont flame

Sepheritoh · Post by **Sepheritoh** » Sat Dec 04, 2004 11:02 pm

I did DJ-ing long time back. Not scratching or anything closely sophisticated as these guys today. We had to register with SAMRO, the music rights org and pay royalties.

Scratching--legal?