KVR Audio

dubguy99 · Post by **dubguy99** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:49 pm

I like stacking moving (LFO'd) notch filters in parallel for formant-y effects ... the more the merrier. But a lot of the plugins out there seem fairly limited in that respect.

UVI Shade doesn't do parallel (so sad!! they make the most flexible filter plugin ever - on paper - and then no damn parallel routing

)

Fabfilter Volcano is max 4 simultaneous bands. Same with U-He Filterscape.

I'm imaging Melda probably does it? But their GUIs are a pain

Softube Modular does it in theory but that is cumbersume to set up and uses all of my CPU.

dubguy99 · Post by **dubguy99** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:31 pm

Just checked again, and the old Eventide Band Delays does 8 bands in parallel. Not infinite, but better than 4 for sure!

dubguy99 · Post by **dubguy99** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:51 pm

Similiar, but related problem: I wanna roll my own fixed bandpass filterbank. Equilibrium is one of the few EQs that does parallel but it doesn't have an actual bandpass filter!

If all else fails, I could make an Ableton rack but that seems excessive.

Cmon devs! There's a ton of interesting weird parallel filter / filterbank modules in Eurorack land... but in VST land where you can (supposedly) do anything I can't even stack a bunch of basic filters in parallel?

HAL76 · Post by **HAL76** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 10:33 pm

golden rule: if X = quantity + Y = Modulation Z = Melda

Unaspected · Post by **Unaspected** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 10:36 pm

A modular environment would probably be best for this: Reaktor, Max, etc.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:11 am

dubguy99 wrote: Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:51 pm If all else fails, I could make an Ableton rack but that seems excessive.

Cmon devs! There's a ton of interesting weird parallel filter / filterbank modules in Eurorack land... but in VST land where you can (supposedly) do anything I can't even stack a bunch of basic filters in parallel?

You clearly can stack a bunch of basic filters in parallel, you've just said so.

dubguy99 · Post by **dubguy99** » Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:53 am

whyterabbyt wrote: Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:11 am
dubguy99 wrote: Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:51 pm If all else fails, I could make an Ableton rack but that seems excessive.

Cmon devs! There's a ton of interesting weird parallel filter / filterbank modules in Eurorack land... but in VST land where you can (supposedly) do anything I can't even stack a bunch of basic filters in parallel?
You clearly can stack a bunch of basic filters in parallel, you've just said so.

I said in VST land ... and Ableton is technically DAW land

But really, is this application so niche that I have to resort to rigging Ableton racks and Reaktor setups? Am I the only one that likes stacking parallel filters?

greententacle · Post by **greententacle** » Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:17 am

thanks for the eventide hint!
mind you, for that formant/vowel stuff, 3-4 bandpass are enough, the tricky part is the interaction between them.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:46 am

dubguy99 wrote: Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:53 am But really, is this application so niche

yup.

generally you only find 'large' numbers of bandpass filters in two kinds of things; vocoders and EQs.
In vocoders, there's not usually any 'override' of the envelope followers that drive the filters on the carrier signal, so that probably rules them out.
In EQs, the filters arent quite the same as synth-style filters, and are more geared to being static, so that might rule them out.
(There are a couple of static filter banks out there, like the Audio Damage one based on the Moog 914, but the frequencies are fixed.)

If you wanted to give an EQ a go, though, Rea-EQ lets you add as many filters as you want, and they can be BP. Not sure what the automation for that is, though.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:50 am

Waitaminute. In the subject you said 'notch,' but later you're saying 'bandpass'. Notch is the opposite of bandpass, which do you mean?

Because it makes a difference to stacking them in parallel.

greententacle · Post by **greententacle** » Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:16 am

as he's about formant stuff, i think he means bandpass.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:17 am

greententacle wrote: Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:16 am as he's about formant stuff, i think he means bandpass.

Yeah, that's the context I was responding to, just wanted to be sure.

fairlyclose · Post by **fairlyclose** » Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:35 am

https://www.apulsoft.ch/apqualizr2/

Michael L · Post by **Michael L** » Tue Apr 12, 2022 12:41 pm

Spline EQ has vowel formant presets:
https://photosounder.com/splineeq/

dubguy99 · Post by **dubguy99** » Tue Apr 12, 2022 1:04 pm

whyterabbyt wrote: Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:50 am Waitaminute. In the subject you said 'notch,' but later you're saying 'bandpass'. Notch is the opposite of bandpass, which do you mean?

Because it makes a difference to stacking them in parallel.

I like both of 'em, for different purposes. I'm aware of Moog type fixed filerbanks, but there aren't a lot of plugins that do that sort of thing (I've found the Audio Damage 914, Pulsar Modular 914 (expensive) and Airwindows ResEQ), which is why I'm interested in stacking parallel bandpasses.

And I know what a vocoder is and what the differences between notches and BPs are, no need to give me audio 101 for my niche sound design request....

What plugin lets me stack the most modulated notch filters in parallel ?