Same track on DAW vs on Vinyl - where is the best sound?
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- KVRist
- 394 posts since 21 Jul, 2007 from Porto, Portugal
Hi there fellow musicians!
I produce drum´n´bass since 1998 on DAWs, before that, I played some drums and guitar on punk bands.
I am fortunate enough to have some of my Drum´n´Bass songs cut into vinyl. As I am making some changes in my Hi-Fi system I did some recordings to do some tests (before/after).
As I also have the original digital files, I decided to do a test where I play the same song in 2 different formats: the original file that came out from my computer that was the file used to cut the vinyl against the vinyl dub plate.
NOTE: UNLIKE TO WHAT I SAID IN THE VIDEO, these records that my friend cut do NOT degrade like I mentioned. That happens to lacquers and this is not the case.
Remember, this is not a scientific experiment, it´s just to give an idea of the difference between the 2 formats: vinyl and digital.
Remember that vinyl changes alongside with time so it´s like having a low pass filter acting as it runs.
Cheers from Portugal!
I produce drum´n´bass since 1998 on DAWs, before that, I played some drums and guitar on punk bands.
I am fortunate enough to have some of my Drum´n´Bass songs cut into vinyl. As I am making some changes in my Hi-Fi system I did some recordings to do some tests (before/after).
As I also have the original digital files, I decided to do a test where I play the same song in 2 different formats: the original file that came out from my computer that was the file used to cut the vinyl against the vinyl dub plate.
NOTE: UNLIKE TO WHAT I SAID IN THE VIDEO, these records that my friend cut do NOT degrade like I mentioned. That happens to lacquers and this is not the case.
Remember, this is not a scientific experiment, it´s just to give an idea of the difference between the 2 formats: vinyl and digital.
Remember that vinyl changes alongside with time so it´s like having a low pass filter acting as it runs.
Cheers from Portugal!
- KVRAF
- 2397 posts since 9 Jan, 2014 from Worldwide
The vinyl would have mastering, and specifically for vinyl. It sounds better because it's "EQed" differently. You could EQ the digital version and probably get it to sound like the vinyl.
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- KVRAF
- 2823 posts since 28 Feb, 2015
I like the DAW version better as it has more clarity and it sounds more balanced in my ears.
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- addled muppet weed
- 111343 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
which is best, will also be skewed by age bias, those of us who lived with vinyl have a nostalgia for the sound of vinyl, that crackle as you drop the needleBiome_Digital wrote: Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:09 pm The vinyl would have mastering, and specifically for vinyl. It sounds better because it's "EQed" differently. You could EQ the digital version and probably get it to sound like the vinyl.
that's a sign for us, something beautiful is about to happen!
if you never went through records and started on cd or streaming, that crackle is meaningless noise.
what should matter anyway, is the music, not the medium.
get that right, people will forgive any mixing or medium specific noise
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- 10729 posts since 17 Nov, 2015
What are they cut on?ourafilmes wrote: Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:25 am NOTE: UNLIKE TO WHAT I SAID IN THE VIDEO, these records that my friend cut do NOT degrade like I mentioned.
- KVRAF
- 2397 posts since 9 Jan, 2014 from Worldwide
Can't argue with that. Love my vinyl! Imo the master has a deeper sound which sounds better in my studio.vurt wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:21 pmwhich is best, will also be skewed by age bias, those of us who lived with vinyl have a nostalgia for the sound of vinyl, that crackle as you drop the needleBiome_Digital wrote: Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:09 pm The vinyl would have mastering, and specifically for vinyl. It sounds better because it's "EQed" differently. You could EQ the digital version and probably get it to sound like the vinyl.
that's a sign for us, something beautiful is about to happen!
if you never went through records and started on cd or streaming, that crackle is meaningless noise.
what should matter anyway, is the music, not the medium.
get that right, people will forgive any mixing or medium specific noise![]()
Last edited by Biome_Digital on Sat Apr 16, 2022 6:01 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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- 10729 posts since 17 Nov, 2015
ourafilmes wrote: Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:25 am NOTE: UNLIKE TO WHAT I SAID IN THE VIDEO, these records that my friend cut do NOT degrade like I mentioned.
Make ya mind up...ourafilmes wrote: Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:25 am
Remember that vinyl changes alongside with time so it´s like having a low pass filter acting as it runs.
- KVRAF
- 2397 posts since 9 Jan, 2014 from Worldwide
In fact, I had a little play. Just run Ozone AI (CD/High) on it and hear all the bass added. The digital version then sounds much better, as the vinyl sound really narrows the image.Biome_Digital wrote: Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:09 pm The vinyl would have mastering, and specifically for vinyl. It sounds better because it's "EQed" differently. You could EQ the digital version and probably get it to sound like the vinyl.
Easy to try.
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- addled muppet weed
- 111343 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
i was tidying at my mum's, and found an old 7" my band did in 1990.
hadn't heard it since around then tbh, so played it
i think i preferred it when i hadn't heard it for years
17 songs on a 45 rpm 7". short and fast and noisy
i won't be uploading it anywhere.
hadn't heard it since around then tbh, so played it
i think i preferred it when i hadn't heard it for years
17 songs on a 45 rpm 7". short and fast and noisy
i won't be uploading it anywhere.
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- KVRAF
- 37262 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from Scottish Borders
- addled muppet weed
- 111343 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
hardcore punk metal ala napalm death. the track "you suffer" was a big inspiration!!
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- KVRAF
- 37262 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from Scottish Borders
We released a single-sided clear vinyl 45 rpm 7" ... got us a review in The Wire.vurt wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 6:23 pmhardcore punk metal ala napalm death. the track "you suffer" was a big inspiration!!
Dunno if it sounded better or not on vinyl, but it got the track played.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 394 posts since 21 Jul, 2007 from Porto, Portugal
Some true words here!vurt wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:21 pm you never went through records and started on cd or streaming, that crackle is meaningless noise.
what should matter anyway, is the music, not the medium.
get that right, people will forgive any mixing or medium specific noise![]()
vinylAnX wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:52 pmWhat are they cut on?ourafilmes wrote: Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:25 am NOTE: UNLIKE TO WHAT I SAID IN THE VIDEO, these records that my friend cut do NOT degrade like I mentioned.
mate... AnX for... anxiety? All answers are on the video...AnX wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:54 pmourafilmes wrote: Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:25 am NOTE: UNLIKE TO WHAT I SAID IN THE VIDEO, these records that my friend cut do NOT degrade like I mentioned.Make ya mind up...ourafilmes wrote: Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:25 am
Remember that vinyl changes alongside with time so it´s like having a low pass filter acting as it runs.
Different kind of degradation... LP filter as it plays the record (normal stuff for vinyl), not the number of plays you can get on a record before sound degrades...
To cut a vinyl is a true art as you have to control, at least, 5 or 6 parameters at the same time and all count. From level to frequency, from the amount of bass to the amount of stereo wideness...Biome_Digital wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 6:04 pmIn fact, I had a little play. Just run Ozone AI (CD/High) on it and hear all the bass added. The digital version then sounds much better, as the vinyl sound really narrows the image.Biome_Digital wrote: Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:09 pm The vinyl would have mastering, and specifically for vinyl. It sounds better because it's "EQed" differently. You could EQ the digital version and probably get it to sound like the vinyl.![]()
Easy to try.![]()
It´s not easy! There is a video of Sound on Sound on Abbey Road where they interview mastering guys that cut vinyl. Everything is very well explained there!
Man, I had that kind of stuff but in tape with my punk band of 1990! Cheers!
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- KVRist
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