Is here someone who have the same opinion?

[Artvera]

I will talk here about some sound libraries for NI Kontakt. Do you notice that some library has few presets but samples are too much long? After I downloaded many free sound libraries for Kontakt, I noticed that samples have at least one or two second of silence after at end of sample. Is this a new trend? I noticed if the sound library is at big size, it should be looks that this library is more quality? Not and again not...I understand, if samples are at higher bit size and sample rate for a better quality but i can not understand why zones include the same samples totally identical just for reason that final library should be look like some very qualite library.
When I created my Kontakt library ART-Pyrite-K, I received the feedback from one user which was surprised how I was able to make such different presets (instruments) for this library with such small collection of wave samples. Yes, my philosopfy is to make large sound library with many presets with using few samples. But it looks that some developers it have converse opinion...they make sound libraries with few presets but used samples are unnecessarily large. It is not art, it is very big waste of your place on hard disk and RAM. I am alone who noticed that this form is not very good?

[Artvera]

Just for example: I downloaded sound library with drum samples at size 1,5 GB. After I reconverted these samples to smaller size and cropped them at silence point, I got the samples at size of 94 MB and in Kontakt it sounds exactly like before. Why some developers need to create sound libraries unnecessarily such large?

[Teksonik]

Hi Vera, welcome back! I hope you have been well.

As for your question, maybe some developers think the larger their sample libraries are the more some people will think they are higher quality?

A 5 gig Piano has to sound better than a 2 gig piano?

[Artvera]

Yes, it is exactly what i mean... I do not see any reason why somebody maps one sample to each key if it is not some rhythmic melody. I remember samples from AKAI which were small and regardless to their small size they were very useful and many composers created with them very nice sound tracks. So why at this time are sound libraries such gigantic? For example 2 GB for one sound of music box? You can be angry on me but such sampling is for me simply a stupidity.

[lobanov]

May be, they just don't want to 'waste time' by cropping samples? It takes time, time is money, hard disks are big and cheap today...

[elxsound]

May be, they just don't want to 'waste time' by cropping samples? It takes time, time is money, hard disks are big and cheap today...

There are tools to automate the process, batch process. It should take 30 seconds at most.

I always hate it because its unnecessary to leave all the excess.

Some libraries suffer from phasing issues with all the layers for velocity and round robin too.

It is amazing how far you can get with just a few samples…

Since getting a Digitakt and returning to sampling roots (I’ve got the SP12 in the closet), it’s been fun working under the max limit per project and onboard space.
With very basic sound design tools, there’s tons that can be done with very little.

Anyway Tek mentioned it already. It’a all marketing BS.

[Biome_Digital]

I will talk here about some sound libraries for NI Kontakt. Do you notice that some library has few presets but samples are too much long? After I downloaded many free sound libraries for Kontakt, I noticed that samples have at least one or two second of silence after at end of sample. Is this a new trend? I noticed if the sound library is at big size, it should be looks that this library is more quality? Not and again not...I understand, if samples are at higher bit size and sample rate for a better quality but i can not understand why zones include the same samples totally identical just for reason that final library should be look like some very qualite library.
When I created my Kontakt library ART-Pyrite-K, I received the feedback from one user which was surprised how I was able to make such different presets (instruments) for this library with such small collection of wave samples. Yes, my philosopfy is to make large sound library with many presets with using few samples. But it looks that some developers it have converse opinion...they make sound libraries with few presets but used samples are unnecessarily large. It is not art, it is very big waste of your place on hard disk and RAM. I am alone who noticed that this form is not very good?

IMO, it is not good editing to do this. I always "top and tail" samples. It is a fact that many people try to pad-out content to make the number bigger. It's a numbers game, but I stay away from that as it doesn't offer good value. Some sample companies include "MP3" files alongside WAV.

The only place I would use long samples (properly trimmed of silence though), is for looping sounds like pads.

I guess an explanation for long silence, maybe because the samples were batch-processed so had to allow for that.

[Tj Shredder]

I bet those libraries are made with a simple autosampler, and never touched the samples. There is a reason why they are free or cheap…

[elxsound]

I will talk here about some sound libraries for NI Kontakt. Do you notice that some library has few presets but samples are too much long? After I downloaded many free sound libraries for Kontakt, I noticed that samples have at least one or two second of silence after at end of sample. Is this a new trend? I noticed if the sound library is at big size, it should be looks that this library is more quality? Not and again not...I understand, if samples are at higher bit size and sample rate for a better quality but i can not understand why zones include the same samples totally identical just for reason that final library should be look like some very qualite library.
When I created my Kontakt library ART-Pyrite-K, I received the feedback from one user which was surprised how I was able to make such different presets (instruments) for this library with such small collection of wave samples. Yes, my philosopfy is to make large sound library with many presets with using few samples. But it looks that some developers it have converse opinion...they make sound libraries with few presets but used samples are unnecessarily large. It is not art, it is very big waste of your place on hard disk and RAM. I am alone who noticed that this form is not very good?

IMO, it is not good editing to do this. I always "top and tail" samples. It is a fact that many people try to pad-out content to make the number bigger. It's a numbers game, but I stay away from that as it doesn't offer good value. Some sample companies include "MP3" files alongside WAV.

The only place I would use long samples (properly trimmed of silence though), is for looping sounds like pads.

I guess an explanation for long silence, maybe because the samples were batch-processed so had to allow for that.

You can batch process to trim out the silence so it shouldn’t be that. If you’re not doing that, look into it to save yourself some time. The one I used to use isn’t available anymore but there lots of options.


**Edit: I used to use Sample Manager by Audiofile Engineering, which became Myriad and is now owned by Zynaptiq.

I'll have to see if Zynaptiq has a way to buy or access Myriad since I was on Sample Manger. This was a great batch processor.

[Biome_Digital]

I will talk here about some sound libraries for NI Kontakt. Do you notice that some library has few presets but samples are too much long? After I downloaded many free sound libraries for Kontakt, I noticed that samples have at least one or two second of silence after at end of sample. Is this a new trend? I noticed if the sound library is at big size, it should be looks that this library is more quality? Not and again not...I understand, if samples are at higher bit size and sample rate for a better quality but i can not understand why zones include the same samples totally identical just for reason that final library should be look like some very qualite library.
When I created my Kontakt library ART-Pyrite-K, I received the feedback from one user which was surprised how I was able to make such different presets (instruments) for this library with such small collection of wave samples. Yes, my philosopfy is to make large sound library with many presets with using few samples. But it looks that some developers it have converse opinion...they make sound libraries with few presets but used samples are unnecessarily large. It is not art, it is very big waste of your place on hard disk and RAM. I am alone who noticed that this form is not very good?

IMO, it is not good editing to do this. I always "top and tail" samples. It is a fact that many people try to pad-out content to make the number bigger. It's a numbers game, but I stay away from that as it doesn't offer good value. Some sample companies include "MP3" files alongside WAV.

The only place I would use long samples (properly trimmed of silence though), is for looping sounds like pads.

I guess an explanation for long silence, maybe because the samples were batch-processed so had to allow for that.

I hand edit EVERY sample.
You can batch process to trim out the silence so it shouldn’t be that. If you’re not doing that, look into it to save yourself some time. The one I used to use isn’t available anymore but there lots of options.


**Edit: I used to use Sample Manager by Audiofile Engineering, which became Myriad and is now owned by Zynaptiq.

I'll have to see if Zynaptiq has a way to buy or access Myriad since I was on Sample Manger. This was a great batch processor.

[elxsound]

I hand edit EVERY sample.

Seriously, give it a try. It’s not cheating. You should be able to set the threshold and and how much time to leave on before the cut.

I always checked one by one after batch processing and never had issues. No clicks, no pops, and no premature cuts.

It’s a huge timesaver.

[Unaspected]

IMO, it is not good editing to do this. I always "top and tail" samples. It is a fact that many people try to pad-out content to make the number bigger. It's a numbers game, but I stay away from that as it doesn't offer good value. Some sample companies include "MP3" files alongside WAV.

The only place I would use long samples (properly trimmed of silence though), is for looping sounds like pads.

I guess an explanation for long silence, maybe because the samples were batch-processed so had to allow for that.

That would make most sense - though not a professional approach. As you say, samples should be topped and tailed. Bloat makes little sense because you have hosting costs and download speeds.

Badly prepared samples are the mark of an amateur product - doesn't matter if good money was paid for it.

[HAL76]

**Edit: I used to use Sample Manager by Audiofile Engineering, which became Myriad and is now owned by Zynaptiq.

I'll have to see if Zynaptiq has a way to buy or access Myriad since I was on Sample Manger. This was a great batch processor.

silrem by noisetime. Simple but effective.

[HAL76]

Badly prepared samples are the mark of an amateur product - doesn't matter if good money was paid for it.

The AKAI soundpacks for the MPC that I listened through when I bought it back then reminded me of a one-handed headless marsian with red spots

[Unaspected]

Badly prepared samples are the mark of an amateur product - doesn't matter if good money was paid for it.

The AKAI soundpacks for the MPC that I listened through when I bought it back then reminded me of a one-handed headless marsian with red spots

So you've seen these things before?