Pressure, that Reason Studios update Reason's workflow & sequencer

[jens]

I think whoever made use of all these offers must be good for the next two years or so.

Nope, I just noticed that the offer isa valid for new subscriptions only - I seem to remember people mentioning before adding such offers to exisiting subscriptions - dunno whether their changed their policy in regards to this or if that never worked...

but either way they seem pretty desperate to lure us in.

[chk071]

Hanging around Reasontalk for a while makes it pretty clear what the broad strokes for DAW improvements people wish for are (and are not getting). Personally I don’t have those exact wishes, but it would be nice to see at least a little progress in that direction.

Frankly, forums have never been a good indicator for anything. Ask what's the most used DAW here, and Reaper will play a big part, while it's probably not nearly as popular with everyone else out there.

If you think that you get a good picture of what people want from forums, then think again. I'd even expect Facebook as a better indicator for that.

[jens]

Reaper is super popular full stop, so that's an ideal example to discredit your theory regarding the irrelevance of forums.

[chk071]

Reaper is super popular full stop

Evidence?

[jens]

I think it's more you who seems to have the problem of living in a KVR-bubble, or else you wouldn't have to ask ( pretty ironic that you talk it down like this no less). The evidence is all over the place.

[chk071]

Ok, so, no evidence. Thought so.

[MTorn]

They f**ked up - big time (by leaving their core customers out in the cold - seriously: who does that? Certainly nobody successful) - and this thread may serve as as good a place as any to remind them of it.

Yep, I agree with all of that.

It’s pretty clear that all this $1/month offers are a desperate way to get the numbers of users up, to present to the investors. Since venture capitalists came into the game, they are the customer, and we are the product.

I think the OP might have wondered if there’s some way that a small group of individuals (not the user base a a whole) could possibly put up enough of a stink to nudge the company back in the right direction. I’d be all for that, but sadly, probably no.

[MTorn]

How about using Reason Rack Plugin in some other DAW? It's how I do it lately in Reaper, and am more than happy.

There two main reasons why I’m avoiding that.

One is the I never liked the VST instruments within a shell experience. It feels a bit cumbersome and awkward. Others, like Kontakt and Falcon have the same problem for me.

And the second is that if I did, I would have to keep supporting and paying for Reason. If I’m unhappy with the company for neglecting their core customer and their DAW, I probably rather want a clean break and stop using their stuff entirely.

Nonetheless, using RRP is what I might end up doing. I think I might give Reaper another stab today. On paper I should like it, but each time I’ve tried it out, it’s felt like a pretty unattractive environment to work in.

[kPere]

How about using Reason Rack Plugin in some other DAW? It's how I do it lately in Reaper, and am more than happy.

There two main reasons why I’m avoiding that.

One is the I never liked the VST instruments within a shell experience. It feels a bit cumbersome and awkward. Others, like Kontakt and Falcon have the same problem for me.

And the second is that if I did, I would have to keep supporting and paying for Reason. If I’m unhappy with the company for neglecting their core customer and their DAW, I probably rather want a clean break and stop using their stuff entirely.

Nonetheless, using RRP is what I might end up doing. I think I might give Reaper another stab today. On paper I should like it, but each time I’ve tried it out, it’s felt like a pretty unattractive environment to work in.

First thind i did when switching to reaper is i customized it with a skin (blue mod). That alone made it 10x better experience. Then customized some things, and reaper has full potential on that field and I was good to go. Actually took me like and hour or two, and rest I was doing on the fly. You can do anything in there, and it's pretty easy since all problems that you occur, there has arlesdy been somebody to had it before and it's explained somewhere.

As for rack plugin. I agree on that shell thing, I don't like it, but it's a compromise i can go for with reason.

[LaLivre]

It is really annoying, that a company doesn't support their core customer base workflow wishes.
Everybody want's Reason to go next steps with workflow, for YEARS now, its just a mystery why they do not make any real updates. Even small updates would be great, if they are on a regular basis. It can't be that hard, but it seems hopeless in some ways right now.

[cantaloupe]

Ok, so, no evidence. Thought so.

In game audio, it is the second most popular DAW, just slightly behind pro tools. This was a couple years ago so it might have surpassed it by now. 100% of game audio industry people i follow on twitter use Reaper.

Outside of game audio, most of the audio people and developers i follow online use Reaper as well: The TAL Software guy, Chris from Airwindows, Dan Worrall, the Hermetech mastering guy, a swedish mastering studio i forgot the name of, the TDR Labs guys. And that's just off the top of my head. This is all selection bias of course, but it seems like i'm seeing Reaper everywhere lately.

[MTorn]

First thind i did when switching to reaper is i customized it with a skin (blue mod). That alone made it 10x better experience. Then customized some things, and reaper has full potential on that field and I was good to go. Actually took me like and hour or two, and rest I was doing on the fly. You can do anything in there, and it's pretty easy since all problems that you occur, there has arlesdy been somebody to had it before and it's explained somewhere.

Alright, I've tried using Reaper a bit. With a Logic Pro-ish skin.

Ugh, bleaurgh. Instantly I had to try to figure out how to make zooming in the timeline work better with my Mac standard mouse. It would go from showing about a millisecond to 32 hours with one flick of my finger!
I did figure out how to make a custom command to tame it a bit. But again, not a welcoming experience! I have promised myself to stick with Reaper and try it in short bursts here and there before I give up on it once again.

The mouse wheel thing is a common problem (same with Reason) with multi-platform DAWs. They generally show no effort at making proper use of the 2D (not just up and down) inertia-driven standard Mac mouse. Things get super twitchy, and go haywire all the time when touching the mouse.

When getting a good piece of software you don't just pay for a box of potential capability, but you're also buying a well-curated user experience. It's a bit of a teamwork situation - you provide some of your efforts, but the software designers also provide some of theirs. With Reaper it feels as though you're only getting the one half - you have all the tools, but you're on your own making them work.

[jens]

Ok, so, no evidence. Thought so.

So you already knew that you really aren't worthy more effort... that's a good start.

[xbitz]

First thind i did when switching to reaper is i customized it with a skin (blue mod). That alone made it 10x better experience. Then customized some things, and reaper has full potential on that field and I was good to go. Actually took me like and hour or two, and rest I was doing on the fly. You can do anything in there, and it's pretty easy since all problems that you occur, there has arlesdy been somebody to had it before and it's explained somewhere.

Alright, I've tried using Reaper a bit. With a Logic Pro-ish skin.

Ugh, bleaurgh. Instantly I had to try to figure out how to make zooming in the timeline work better with my Mac standard mouse. It would go from showing about a millisecond to 32 hours with one flick of my finger!
I did figure out how to make a custom command to tame it a bit. But again, not a welcoming experience! I have promised myself to stick with Reaper and try it in short bursts here and there before I give up on it once again.

The mouse wheel thing is a common problem (same with Reason) with multi-platform DAWs. They generally show no effort at making proper use of the 2D (not just up and down) inertia-driven standard Mac mouse. Things get super twitchy, and go haywire all the time when touching the mouse.

When getting a good piece of software you don't just pay for a box of potential capability, but you're also buying a well-curated user experience. It's a bit of a teamwork situation - you provide some of your efforts, but the software designers also provide some of theirs. With Reaper it feels as though you're only getting the one half - you have all the tools, but you're on your own making them work.

(ok, I have had to watch https://www.groove3.com/tutorials/reape ... and-tricks too to able to start using it )

[mholloway]

I think it's more you who seems to have the problem of living in a KVR-bubble, or else you wouldn't have to ask ( pretty ironic that you talk it down like this no less). The evidence is all over the place.

Whereas you have the problem of not shutting up about Reaper in a thread about Reason.