Syntronik 2 Discussions
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- KVRian
- 1478 posts since 2 Mar, 2005
Well… it could work. Not at home by my computer, but shouldnt there be 2 different kinds of files (sti for the patch and another ther type for the samples)? If so you moght want to try copying both the sample set & the patch files from one synth’s folders to the other synth’s folders.
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- KVRian
- 1478 posts since 2 Mar, 2005
So, how does Syntronik 2 look in Sampletank 4? I'm pretty sure those S2 presets are gonna be different because the edit pages aren't similar to my knowledge. Like there wouldn't be any sub oscillators or waveforms to choose from when those presets are in St4, correct?
I read more than post = I listen more than I talk
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- KVRist
- 353 posts since 15 Mar, 2021
Please let a IK noobie into a topic for a minute. 2 questions:
1. Is buying one synth enough, or do I need to buy an engine as well or something?
2. How is the CPU use on those?
and a bonus one, subjective of course, but any hits or misses?
1. Is buying one synth enough, or do I need to buy an engine as well or something?
2. How is the CPU use on those?
and a bonus one, subjective of course, but any hits or misses?
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- KVRAF
- 10366 posts since 2 Sep, 2003 from Surrey, UK
A1: 1 synth is enough. (If the upper levels are not reached, you can join twice (so, "2 synths") to get 2 sets of bonus choices (of course the bonus products are NOT transferrable).
A2: I get high CPU when on the Edit page or moving the plug-in window around. With the window closed, CPU is pretty low.
A3: Your hits are my misses and vice versa.
A2: I get high CPU when on the Edit page or moving the plug-in window around. With the window closed, CPU is pretty low.
A3: Your hits are my misses and vice versa.
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- KVRAF
- 3735 posts since 17 Sep, 2016
1. One synth purchase is all that is needed. The free Syntronik 2 CS engine is included. Terms are disclosed here: https://www.ikmultimedia.com/syntronik2gb/
2. CPU use on your computer: If it's fairly up to date, the CPU shouldn't be an issue. Since Syntronik is playing synth samples, with modeled filters and effects, it should require less CPU than a recent full synth emulation. On my PC running 2 instances in Reaper, the CPU stays below 5%. But be prepared for nearly 500MB memory per instance.
2. CPU use on your computer: If it's fairly up to date, the CPU shouldn't be an issue. Since Syntronik is playing synth samples, with modeled filters and effects, it should require less CPU than a recent full synth emulation. On my PC running 2 instances in Reaper, the CPU stays below 5%. But be prepared for nearly 500MB memory per instance.
Windows 10 and too many plugins
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 19791 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA
CPU demand depends on how many layers and effects etc are used. Single layer presets can be very light while presets that use all four layers with each layer having its own effects can be somewhat demanding.
We can look at the layers like stacking hardware synths by midi. For example layering CS80, Jupiter 8, and Oberheim pads can yield some very lush sounds etc....
We can look at the layers like stacking hardware synths by midi. For example layering CS80, Jupiter 8, and Oberheim pads can yield some very lush sounds etc....
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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- KVRian
- 1478 posts since 2 Mar, 2005
From the IK thread in the Sell/Buy forum it looks like this is the case regarding the presets (just a guess, let me know if I'm wrong):
The number of presets that are listed on the IK website refer to 2 different kinds of files:
1. The whole preset for the synth, with filer settings, effects, arp, etc
2. The wavesets that can be used in the edit page
For example, if you read the description from the IK website about Megawave library, it says it includes over 6 GB of content, over 7,000 samples & 112 instrument presets. Those 112 instrument presets include whole presets for this Megawave library AND wavesets that you can interchange on the edit page of the synth. So, if you purchased this library, downloaded & installed and only seen maybe about 50 or so presets in the main browser it's because the bulk of presets are in the oscillators to be used in the fashion of making your own presets & sounds.
I'm unsure why IK doesn't make this distinction as it's a very important part of their customers' experience. I mean, it's fine if that is going to be their model, but you have to let your customers know this on your website as it influences their purchasing decisions. I take it as a mute point with the current group buy as you stand a chance to get all of them, but this kind of info will stop these threads from being about half of the customers deciphering what's going on AND all of the customer support calls & emails.
The number of presets that are listed on the IK website refer to 2 different kinds of files:
1. The whole preset for the synth, with filer settings, effects, arp, etc
2. The wavesets that can be used in the edit page
For example, if you read the description from the IK website about Megawave library, it says it includes over 6 GB of content, over 7,000 samples & 112 instrument presets. Those 112 instrument presets include whole presets for this Megawave library AND wavesets that you can interchange on the edit page of the synth. So, if you purchased this library, downloaded & installed and only seen maybe about 50 or so presets in the main browser it's because the bulk of presets are in the oscillators to be used in the fashion of making your own presets & sounds.
I'm unsure why IK doesn't make this distinction as it's a very important part of their customers' experience. I mean, it's fine if that is going to be their model, but you have to let your customers know this on your website as it influences their purchasing decisions. I take it as a mute point with the current group buy as you stand a chance to get all of them, but this kind of info will stop these threads from being about half of the customers deciphering what's going on AND all of the customer support calls & emails.
I read more than post = I listen more than I talk
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- KVRAF
- 3735 posts since 17 Sep, 2016
I noticed that switching the sub oscillators on bumps up the CPU usage. Like adding more layers...Teksonik wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 2:04 pm CPU demand depends on how many layers and effects etc are used. Single layer presets can be very light while presets that use all four layers with each layer having its own effects can be somewhat demanding.
In Erik's overview video where he explains the Edit panel features, he says that the sub 1 & 2 are copies of oscillators 1 & 2, pitched down an octave. Fattens things up a bit!
Windows 10 and too many plugins
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- KVRAF
- 3735 posts since 17 Sep, 2016
A Syntronik 2 preset has access to the modulation matrix in ST4, same as the ST4 presets do. The 4 oscillators and the choice of wave sets are not present in ST4 for Syntronik 2 presets.Saukar30 wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 5:09 am So, how does Syntronik 2 look in Sampletank 4? I'm pretty sure those S2 presets are gonna be different because the edit pages aren't similar to my knowledge. Like there wouldn't be any sub oscillators or waveforms to choose from when those presets are in St4, correct?
If you load an older Syntronik 1 preset, there is an icon in the ST4 edit window that shows "ST3 Legacy", and that will not show the modulation matrix.
It appears that even though there is a close parallel between Syntronik 1/SampleTank 3 and Syntronik 2/SampleTank 4, the editor GUI for Syntronik 2 is required for all of the new features of Syntronik 2.
Windows 10 and too many plugins
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 19791 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA
Except that those numbers don't add up at least in the ones I've counted.Saukar30 wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 2:33 pm From the IK thread in the Sell/Buy forum it looks like this is the case regarding the presets (just a guess, let me know if I'm wrong):
The number of presets that are listed on the IK website refer to 2 different kinds of files:
1. The whole preset for the synth, with filer settings, effects, arp, etc
2. The wavesets that can be used in the edit page
Instrument Presets and Wavesets do not equal the number of Instrument Presets on the product pages, again of the ones I've counted like the Pro VS.
It has 59 presets and 170 wavesets which is 229. On the product page it says 200 Instrument Presets.
In the end instrument presets are different than sample content no matter how IK wants to spin it....
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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- KVRAF
- 3735 posts since 17 Sep, 2016
I wish IK took the same approach as Toontrack does regarding straightforward support for their customers using their legacy content.
Toontrack has just announced that all of the existing content from EZdrummer 2 will continue to work in the new EZdrummer 3, while adding the scalable interface graphics to it, as well as all of the new v3 features.
Probably not exactly the same thing, but the added focus on the customer from Toontrack is apparent. A lot of unnecessary smoke and mirrors from IK to distract from the gaps, IMO... IK should take a lesson here...
Toontrack has just announced that all of the existing content from EZdrummer 2 will continue to work in the new EZdrummer 3, while adding the scalable interface graphics to it, as well as all of the new v3 features.
Probably not exactly the same thing, but the added focus on the customer from Toontrack is apparent. A lot of unnecessary smoke and mirrors from IK to distract from the gaps, IMO... IK should take a lesson here...
Windows 10 and too many plugins
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 19791 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA
Well I'll be honest and say in my opinion IK has some of the worst customer support and attitude in the business and that goes all the way back to Sampletank 1 and TRacks that came on disk.
It's just always rubbed me the wrong way that they feel it's perfectly fine to use KVR for advertising their products and can frequent the forum with their sales department but refuse to allow support personnel to engage here just to clear up simple questions and confusion that come up with each and every one of their group buys or other sales.
It just makes them look bad and leaves a bad taste in the mouths of their customers....and potential customers.
But again I keep remembering that I only paid $35 for this deal and I see we just reached the 9 free level so all things considered it's hard to stay too mad at IK.
It's just always rubbed me the wrong way that they feel it's perfectly fine to use KVR for advertising their products and can frequent the forum with their sales department but refuse to allow support personnel to engage here just to clear up simple questions and confusion that come up with each and every one of their group buys or other sales.
It just makes them look bad and leaves a bad taste in the mouths of their customers....and potential customers.
But again I keep remembering that I only paid $35 for this deal and I see we just reached the 9 free level so all things considered it's hard to stay too mad at IK.
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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- KVRAF
- 3735 posts since 17 Sep, 2016
Exactly! The group buys are the game here!Teksonik wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 10:06 pm But again I keep remembering that I only paid $35 for this deal and I see we just reached the 9 free level so all things considered it's hard to stay too mad at IK.
Windows 10 and too many plugins
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- KVRian
- 1355 posts since 24 Sep, 2021
I dont think these syntronik products are good because quality of presets as a total package is subpar and takes alot of space. Too much space for what you get. Something like Omnisphere takes around 55gb and has superior presets, majority of them are usable. Even kontant factory library is more usable. Freeware synths like surge tyrell obxd vital can offer so much more analogue goodness then this even on group sale. I see Syntronik as an illusion of having emulation.