Any science to explain the “weight” or “3D depth” of hardware audio vs software that some people claim?

[melomood]

I gave mine a bath today. I didn't use my tongue.I used a rag. You could say I cleaned my Vanjie

[ghettosynth]

I gave mine a bath today. I didn't use my tongue.I used a rag. You could say I cleaned my Vanjie

I've heard that you really want to use your tongue for that. All of your tongue.

[ghettosynth]

I should clean my cat too...

[Unaspected]

I gave mine a bath today. I didn't use my tongue.I used a rag. You could say I cleaned my Vanjie

I've heard that you really want to use your tongue for that. All of your tongue.

That cat knows what else he's been doing with that thing.

That cat knows things no cat should.

[melomood]

[melomood]

I should clean my cat too...

Always unplug hardware when 'grooming'

[Aloysius]

OK groomer

[BONES]

Einstein published a very highly regarded scientific paper that had no references. This is contrary to what posters had said previously about references always being required to be provided by the claimant about all claims they make in science.

Einstein wasn't making any "claims", he was positing a theory. If he had no references, it was because he was breaking new ground and no relevant references were available.

Your post misrepresents Einstein's relativity paper which, in addition to introducing new theory based on two principles that could be regarded as laws, also includes claims about results from experiments.

That sounds to me like you're the one misrepresenting. First you say he has no references, now you're saying he had references to two laws and experimental evidence. I've not read any of his papers, I was relying on your experience here, but it seems my trust in you was misguided.

[BertKoor]

In fact, we can probably trace this all they way back to hand wiring which really does have more dimension. This is why older devices with through hole parts sound better and really old synths that had their voice boards placed vertically sound the best.

This is not even funny anymore

[ghettosynth]

In fact, we can probably trace this all they way back to hand wiring which really does have more dimension. This is why older devices with through hole parts sound better and really old synths that had their voice boards placed vertically sound the best.

This is not even funny anymore

I couldn't agree more. This is worthy of deeper study by scientists and should not be so easily swept under the rug. Related, through hole parts almost certainly allow the atoms to decay throughout the electronic component material in a larger area as the component ages and the atoms decay. This induces a more complex geometry within the path that the audio signal must flow to reach human ears. This complex geometry is far more three dimensional than the much simpler and constrained geometries of surface mount parts. This could account for the clear compressed tightness of sounds generated with surface mount synths and almost certainly has something to do with the billions of nano-delays that the electrons travel over in the larger geometry of the through hole synth. As we all know, a larger number of small delays absolutely adds a depth to a sound, we've all experienced this with granular delays or high quality reverbs.

Someone asked what we should do with GPUs. It seems to me that a correct model of 3d atomic decay in electronic parts would add depth and realism to software synths trying to recapture the magic and weight of vintage analog gear. We are a long way away, but I'm hopeful that with far greater computational power we can achieve this goal.

[BertKoor]

Speed of light being 299.792.458 metres per second, you need a whole mile of copper in the audio path for a single sample shift at 192kHz sampling rate.

Atoms decaying?? Then its radio active, they should label them with hazard signs!


Vintage stuff sounded vintage already when it was brand new and nothing had deteriorated.

I sincerely question your comprehension level and
ability to reason about scientific stuff in general and basic electronics in particular.

[ghettosynth]

Speed of light being 299.792.458 metres per second, you need a whole mile of copper in the audio path for a single sample shift at 192kHz sampling rate.

A 1/2 watt resistor is about 1/2 inch in length and about 1/8 inch in diameter, give or take. Since the atoms may decay along any path within the material, we don't know how long this path will be. It could be many many miles before reaching the terminal node of the resistor.

Moreover, you dismiss sub-sample effects on depth and weight far too easily.

Vintage stuff sounded vintage already when it was brand new and nothing had deteriorated.

Of course it did. I've already explained that, it's because of the geometry of the parts. It simply gets better with age. As we know, the flat lifeless boxes from the 90s have not improved with age. An M1 still sounds like crap today.

I sincerely question your ability of comprehension of basic electronics and science.

I believe that my explanations have been quite clear. By all means, throw your most difficult questions at me and we'll see who understands what.

[ghettosynth]

I think that someone should provide the dimensions and weight of all vintage synths in a nice excel spreadsheet so that we can start to analyze this in greater detail. We will need to reach some consensus regarding a ranking of sound quality. This shouldn't be too difficult.

[Uncle E]

Someone much smarter and more accomplished than me explained it like this:

Capacitance builds up in wires bent at sharp angles. Through hole resistors all have 90 or 180 degree angles. Surface mount resistors have none.

[ghettosynth]

Someone much smarter and more accomplished than me explained it like this:

Capacitance builds up in wires bent at sharp angles. Through hole resistors all have 90 or 180 degree angles. Surface mount resistors have none.

You should invite them to KVR, we need more smart people here!